Instead of treating everyone like a drunk driver they should just better enforce the current laws. Make a single DUI a ten-year loss of license and a DUI leading to a fatality an automatic life without parole and you will see a lot fewer people doing it.
NTSB Calls for Alcohol Detection Systems in All New Vehicles
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#22Phones are worse than alcohol according to an article I mentioned earlier on the same subject:
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#23But then... what would our elected officials drive?
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#24Once again, the actions of a few are hurting everyone else. Why not target the few? There's a solid connection between DUI enforcement and reduction in deaths. We've all heard of crashes involving someone with multiple DUI arrests. These offenders need identifying, help, supervision, and maybe removing their driving privileges. https://www.safehome.org/resources/dui-statistics/
An obvious middle ground is that anyone convicted of DUI must [for some long period of time] have an alcohol detection system installed in any car they wish to drive.
Perhaps then mandate that cars be compatible with some standard for such systems to try to bring the cost of them down - the actual alcohol sensor is mere cents, but integrating it into todays cars aftermarket is often very costly.
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#25Once again, the actions of a few are hurting everyone else. Why not target the few? There's a solid connection between DUI enforcement and reduction in deaths. We've all heard of crashes involving someone with multiple DUI arrests. These offenders need identifying, help, supervision, and maybe removing their driving privileges. https://www.safehome.org/resources/dui-statistics/
An obvious middle ground is that anyone convicted of DUI must [for some long period of time] have an alcohol detection system installed in any car they wish to drive. Perhaps then mandate that cars be compatible with some standard for such systems to try to bring the cost of them down - the actual alcohol sensor is mere cents, but integrating it into todays cars aftermarket is often very costly.
The high cost, installation/electrical issues (while in use and after it is uninstalled.), annd inconvenience is part of the intended punishment.
I’ve seen people do interesting things to avoid getting interlocks installed. In that state if you owned a business an interlock must be installed in all company vehicles. People will sign over vehicles to family members. Some buy a beater car to have the interlock installed on and only start the car a couple times a month to log the minimum amount of starts required for compliance which is checked monthly for an additional fee.
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#26> a northbound pickup truck, which was occupied by an adult driver and seven passengers, ranging in age from 6 to 15 years old
(Additional information about the crash indicates that only 5 of the 8 passengers in the pickup were restrained)
So eight people were crammed into a pickup, 3 weren't wearing seatbelts.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
An obvious middle ground is that anyone convicted of DUI must [for some long period of time] have an alcohol detection system installed in any car they wish to drive. Perhaps then mandate that cars be compatible with some standard for such systems to try to bring the cost of them down - the actual alcohol sensor is mere cents, but integrating it into todays cars aftermarket is often very costly.
The high cost, installation/electrical issues (while in use and after it is uninstalled.), annd inconvenience is part of the intended punishment. I’ve seen people do interesting things to avoid getting interlocks installed. In that state if you owned a business an interlock must be installed in all company vehicles. People will sign over vehicles to family members. Some buy a beater car to have the interlock installe…
Wait, minimum number of starts? So if you're convicted of a DUI you're legally required to drive? That's perverse.
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#28They're also recommending speed limiters that essentially force you to follow the limits. I wonder if we'd see speed limits increase if everyone followed them as-posted? Because right now there seems to be this assumption from both sides that everyone is speeding, so they post 70 because they want 80, or 25 because they want 30, etc. While DUI is a legitimate problem, it isn't clear to me though what exactly the NTSB…
Normal procedures have them measure the n-th percentile actual speed and then derate it. So if procedures aren't changed limiters would lower speed limits.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I wonder if we'd see speed limits increase if everyone followed them as-posted? Yeah, "speed limits" are primarily a political game, not anything based in reality. Roads designed for 55 get labeled 45 (in 1990) then 40 (2000) then 35 (2010) and then "road dieted" to 25 (2020). Everyone's "speeding" on paper, but not in reality -- they're going the speed they're were always supposed to go. But politically, people ju…
yes and no. I do suspect that limits are often adjusted for reasons that have more to do with revenue than safety. but at the same time, the designed speed of a road isn't always appropriate for the surroundings. 55 could be an reasonable limit for a country road at the time of construction, but way too high when a bunch of shops and homes are built around it later on. ideally the road itself would be modified to ref…
There are a lot of roads around Austin that are FM (some number). The “FM” means Farm-to-Market, and they literally were built from little farming towns through miles of fields into larger towns.
Some of those little farming towns are now rapidly frowning suburbs, teeming with housing tracts, and those fields are now shopping center upon shopping center.
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#30Once again, the actions of a few are hurting everyone else. Why not target the few? There's a solid connection between DUI enforcement and reduction in deaths. We've all heard of crashes involving someone with multiple DUI arrests. These offenders need identifying, help, supervision, and maybe removing their driving privileges. https://www.safehome.org/resources/dui-statistics/
> Why not target the few?
They should charge people with attempted homicide with a deadly weapon while under the influence.
Like the side object detection and backup cameras, mandatory electronics are great for component manufacturers. For consumers it increases initial costs and reduces resale value after some years due to difficulty of affordably fixing old electronics. Much of this is financial punishment on the poor and working class.