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I believe that might happen, but then I also believe it's the ISP's responsibility to ensure that its IP addresses are kept clean
For sure, the point I'm making is that there's a multi party transaction here, with systemic complexity. Makes it hard to pin responsibility on just Cloudflare (or just the user or just the ISP, etc).
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#82Harsh blocking/limiting/challenging is way too valuable to sites that are actually trying to make money online. It's not going away short of legislation banning it. Losing 1/10,000 legitimate customers to cut fraud attempts, spam, exploit attempts, and so on, by 90% or more, is just too good a trade-off. I have bad news about the most-likely fix for it, longer term, so we can lay off the IP-based reputation stuff and…
This also reminds me of the anxiety of Google deciding to just ban my account for some reason. They can't be bothered to commit resources to making sure mistakes can be resolved. They don't care to lose a fleetingly small percentage of customers.
Not sure I have an answer. Just a thought.
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#83If you'd like to experience this treatment first-hand, try surfing the web using the Tor Browser. Spoiler alert: many websites simply refuse to load at all (e.g. any google service, and lots of websites "protected" by CF). Captchas are everywhere: in many cases, you can't even complete simple GETs of blogs without donating free labor to CF. And the most infuriating part, you get CF marketing messages right in your fa…
Yeah, there's something amazingly aggravating about CF telling you how much traffic is bots while showing that they can't distinguish you from a bot.
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For sure, the point I'm making is that there's a multi party transaction here, with systemic complexity. Makes it hard to pin responsibility on just Cloudflare (or just the user or just the ISP, etc).
Cloudflare is the one blocking a user based on things that aren't their fault; I'm happy to blame them.
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#87There is a chance you might’ve been hacked. You would be surprised to see how easy it is to hack domestic routers. 1. Find and disinfect the devices, including the router. If you don’t have enough technical knowledge, then buy a new router. 2. Use 30 character long random password on the router. 3. Disable UPnP. 4. Anything with WI-FI and weak password can be hacked within minutes, so check your other devices as well…
Why would you disable UPnP? You're gonna break most collaboration tools/video games/etc.
UPnP allows devices inside your network to open ports to the outside world without your knowledge. I think everyone should avoid it if they can get by without it
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#88There is a chance you might’ve been hacked. You would be surprised to see how easy it is to hack domestic routers. 1. Find and disinfect the devices, including the router. If you don’t have enough technical knowledge, then buy a new router. 2. Use 30 character long random password on the router. 3. Disable UPnP. 4. Anything with WI-FI and weak password can be hacked within minutes, so check your other devices as well…
Why would you disable UPnP? You're gonna break most collaboration tools/video games/etc.
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Cloudflare is the one blocking a user based on things that aren't their fault; I'm happy to blame them.
That's fine, but you are ignoring the broader picture if you do. You've correctly identified a detail, but haven't placed that detail in context.