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Which one? 2000? 2008? 2016? 2020?
I think they meant the one with the unprecedented violent riots in the Capitol that resulted in some folks dying. Could be wrong.
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#152A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…
You put him there dipshit
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#153A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…
Classic Red Herring logical fallacy. What's happening in Russia is in no way relevant to the arguments about government murder and the dissolution of the purported "rule of law" in the USA presented in the piece. This is a distractionary tactic used to prevent discussion about the real issues presented in the writing. Shame.
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#154Has everyone on Hacker News lost their minds? I come here to read and sometimes participate in rational discussions. These comments are some of the lowest effort, least rigorous, paranoid bullshit I’ve ever seen on this site. We’re a step above Facebook comments on NPR articles, here. Partisanship, viciousness and lazy conspiracy theories are not a good look for this site.
Or perhaps we don't need HN exceptionalism? Intelligence isn't translated universally onto all subject matters. Just because someone is good at writing code doesn't make them well-suited to understand any non-programming topics to have a well-informed or rational discussion about it. There's no reason why HN should have a higher quality discussion on these subjects than some generic subreddit or FB comment sections. Of course I wish the discussion quality could be higher, but I understand why it isn't.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
No it's not, stop being a joker. Here is what US sources had: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JemWkV2Vcic&t=967s That is massively different than the pic in the article.
I’m not sure your point? The speech following that brief crowd segment is the red with marines behind him — at a point where the light was on, rather than the one featured in the photo. I think there’s a reason you deep linked rather than show the beginning: the start is exactly the dark red set shown in the photo. I’d encourage people to watch from the beginning, where they dim the lights to get that effect: https:/…
My point should be obvious, but I know you're not looking for honest discussion. The image in the article and the video are drastically different.
If you're scared of the color red, IDK what to tell you.
The time I linked was random after clicking through the video to prove my memory right.
Show me a time in the video that backs up your argument.
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#156We say: Hey, the police are killing us, could you please stop that. No, we need to be tough on crime. It's just too bad that some people die, but I need to feel secure. We say: Hey, the police are still killing us, could you please stop that. It looks like we need to reboot the justice system. No, we need to be tough on crime. Why do you want the crime rate to go up? We say: Hey, the police are still killing us, we n…
The solution isn't "throw more police at crime". It's multi-faceted. It's not just make work/life more worthwhile either because there are places with relatively high unemployment but also low crime. It's about civics and what society sets as acceptable boundaries and enforcing those boundaries and punishing those that stray too far. Looks at the USA's wild west. It went from rampant violent crime to acceptable socia…
>The solution isn't "throw more police at crime".
For clarity, do you mean that more police alone won't fix the problem by itself?
While I agree, I think more police could be part of the solution, or at least it's not an unreasonable point to bring up in the discussion.
Just hiring more people in a broken system is almost never a silver bullet, but there are times when it may be warranted as part of the solution. It's interesting to me how biased we are in application of this principle.
There was a particular discussion on HN where it seemed the prevailing opinion was "just hire more nurses to solve the healthcare problem." People were lambasted for hinting at the need to fix the systemic issues as well, because just throwing more people into a broken system rarely gets the results we want. If you ask nurses, they'll say you need to hire more nurses. If you ask police, they'll say you need to hire more police. It was hard for most to accept that idea when it comes one domain but not the other. I can't tell if it's something unique about the problem or just our biases leading the discussion.
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>I’d be surprised to hear that these people even contradict their boss Has Snowden talked about Putin's war on Ukraine yet?
He very vocally defended Russia while they were building up to the invasion and then became completely silent after they invaded. I wouldn't be surprised if Snowden doesn't actually have the password to his Twitter account and can only post Putin approved tweets.
A lot of people, including establishment "experts" didn't think Russia was going to invade and called US estimations war-mongering. Also it's probably not a good idea to antagonize the people holding you hostage, he's one hospital trip away from falling out a window.
Snowden is clearly trying to be as effective as he can in spreading his message, given his conditions. He's already sacrificed any semblance of a normal/comfortable life, saying he's full of shit just because he doesn't effectively commit suicide strikes me as disingenuous criticism by those who already want to see him dead.
Honestly the only legitimate criticism of Snowden I've read so far is that he may have handed over intelligence as part of his asylum bargain that got operatives killed. But, probably due to the nature of said operatives/operations and the agencies they may/may not have worked for, it's impossible to know from the outside how true that is. It's not like the intelligence community has a history of honesty with the general public, or won't lie to get what it wants. CIA/NSA/Military Intelligence Services seem to step way over the line every 10-20 years or so and some new scandal gets leaked, and we have a big debate over whether the leakers were traitors or patriots. This is just another wave in the signal unless we fundamentally reform the system.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure your point? The speech following that brief crowd segment is the red with marines behind him — at a point where the light was on, rather than the one featured in the photo. I think there’s a reason you deep linked rather than show the beginning: the start is exactly the dark red set shown in the photo. I’d encourage people to watch from the beginning, where they dim the lights to get that effect: https:/…
My point should be obvious, but I know you're not looking for honest discussion. The image in the article and the video are drastically different. If you're scared of the color red, IDK what to tell you. The time I linked was random after clicking through the video to prove my memory right. Show me a time in the video that backs up your argument.
They’re not different:
It’s literally the start of the video, where they dim the lights to get that dark scene.
Tell me you didn’t watch your own source without telling me you didn’t watch your own source, LOL
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because he denied it was going to happen and expressed skepticism at Western intel reports about the invasion. Then he was silent after the invasion.
Yes, he was wrong, can happen. It’s also unrelated to his claims about US agencies and US democracy. Why must he be a saint? He did more than most will do their entire lives already.
>It’s also unrelated to his claims about US agencies and US democracy
Definitely related, he used the run up to the war to dunk on US agencies' predictions saying they were war mongering.
Not even two weeks before the war he tweeted: "There is nothing more grotesque than a media pushing for war."
Can you explain how US media pushed Putin to war in the run up to the war rather than just reporting very credible intel from US agencies? Which appears to be a crime in Snowden's eyes.