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Re: Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT

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This is a false equivalence. Galileo was concerned with physical fact, whereas this professor's controversial opinions are sociological and fairly subjective--they boil down to a value judgement. That's not to condemn (or defend) the professor. This just isn't a fair characterization of the debate.

I'm not so sure, even the helio/geocentrism is a matter of opinion due to relativity of motion.

This isn't true, because one frame is an inertial frame and the other is not (i.e. not real).

Re: Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT

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> No, you are completely and utterly wrong on that. This is more of the same intellectually lazy assumptions, please stop this. Then can you explain what was biased about an admissions process that does not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, and other identity characteristics, if it wasn't the demographics of the student body? It's still vague how a race-agnostic admissions process would be biased. > The fact…

>Then can you explain what was biased about an admissions process that does not discriminate on the basis of race, gender, and other identity characteristics, if it wasn't the demographics of the student body? It's still vague how a race-agnostic admissions process would be biased. There can still be implicit bias. Please read this publication from MIT on this exact subject: https://tll.mit.edu/teaching-resources/inc…

> There can still be implicit bias. Please read this publication from MIT on this exact subject: https://tll.mit.edu/teaching-resources/inclusive-classroom/i...

If anything, this lends even more support to Abbot's proposed changes to admissions criteria. Removal of race from applicants' applications would eliminate the implicit bias, as admission officers would not know the race of applicants. This is like putting the screen between orchestra performers and reviewers in auditions.

> The issue is not that there aren't enough qualified students or that unqualified students are being placed above qualified ones or that merit is being ignored.

Then why are Asians at the top of the class still only half as likely to get admitted than Black applicants in the middle? The fact that you proclaim that all applicants are qualified does not alter the racial disparity in admissions rates.

Here's another blunt example: I have some job that requires a fitness test. I have 1,000 applicants run a a mile. If they can do it in less than 8 minutes they're qualified. 400 applicants make the 8 minute cutoff. 100 of them Black, 100 white, 100 Asian, 100 Latin. I hire 100 white applicants and no one else. When people complain that I only hired people of one race I point out that all of them passed the 8 minute qualification test and no unqualified white applicant was hired over a qualified applicant of another race. Is that a reasonable way to argye that this hiring process was not racially discriminatory.

Re: Proposed Free Expression Statement for MIT

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It takes less effort to uncover a public lie than to uncover a hidden truth. Alternatively worded, something about sunlight being the best disinfectant.

>> While I tend to agree with this sentiment, it's worth noting that it takes orders of magnitude more effort to fight against lies and misinformation than it does to create them. As such, letting everyone say whatever they want and expecting the lies to be exposed/countered by the truthspeakers is destined to fail. We've seen this exact thing play out on every social network. > It takes less effort to uncover a publ…

Proving a lie and relying on people to understand that is preferred to hiding uncomfortable truths. Never trust a censor. They always have agendas.
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