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Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by talmi »

butterlesstoast wrote: post #5

Looks fascinating. The only concern I have pitching this to my company is security. There isn't a dedicated page (or even a blog) talking about security practices Spinach has taken into account with the platform. The only thing I saw regarding security was a semi concerning mention in the Privacy Policy: > Company takes reasonable steps to protect the Personal Data provided via the Services from loss, misuse, and una…

Thanks for raising this Security is a top priority for us. We lean on OWASP and best practices to ensure all data collected through the app is secure. The app has passed diligent security reviews at many companies including big public companies and fintechs. Great callout on adding more info on the website, will do

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by talmi »

thedougd wrote: post #10

I have to pass after two minutes of looking. I'm in a small, but mature company of ~250 employees. We're on Office365 and use Okta for SSO. I see a MS Teams icon on the front page, click pricing, don't see MS teams in the integrations list. Then I see SSO under Enterprise, call us for pricing. I'm out. I have to have SSO for a few reasons. 1) It's a common sense security measure and greatly reduces employee onboard/o…

Thanks for the feedback We plan to integrate with Teams and for now teams running their standups on Teams use our web app. We do support SSO, just need to set it up per customer which is why we ask folks to reach out for the enterprise tier.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

recroad wrote: post #8

Tried similar tools and ad-hoc processes during the pandemic. None worked as effectively as turning your camera's on and walking the board for 15 minutes. In fact, the chance of miscommunication increased when we introduced tooling like this. Though agile has been bastardized and gotten a bad rep, it's core values of "Individuals and interactions over processes and tools" and principles like "The most efficient and e…

To add, the stand-up loses its value if it becomes rote; people will tune out or wait for their turn to speak.

One trick we're using is that the order is always random, and whoever's turn it is gets to pick who is next. Ideally you pick the one who is not paying attention.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jacknews wrote: post #9

Is this what agile/scrum is now? I feel burned out just reading it. IMHO the 'standup' (keep them on their toes!) was always suspect if it was just a PM 'what have you done lately' meeting. Progress can be reported asynchronously. IMHO the point of having the team together daily is to raise exceptions/problems/blockers/whatever to the rest of the team, and perhaps co-ordinate the rest of the day.

> Progress can be reported asynchronously.

Progress shouldn't even need to be reported; it should be obvious from the board, when it comes to communicating upwards. And IMO that's only relevant to the scrum master (who needs to ensure everything is going smoothly) and maybe the product owner; above the PO level, if they care about progress during a sprint they're paid too much. The level above PO should only care about sprint results, maybe.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by codegeek »

thedougd wrote: post #10

I have to pass after two minutes of looking. I'm in a small, but mature company of ~250 employees. We're on Office365 and use Okta for SSO. I see a MS Teams icon on the front page, click pricing, don't see MS teams in the integrations list. Then I see SSO under Enterprise, call us for pricing. I'm out. I have to have SSO for a few reasons. 1) It's a common sense security measure and greatly reduces employee onboard/o…

You may like this:

https://sso.tax/

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by rockostrich »

recroad wrote: post #8

Tried similar tools and ad-hoc processes during the pandemic. None worked as effectively as turning your camera's on and walking the board for 15 minutes. In fact, the chance of miscommunication increased when we introduced tooling like this. Though agile has been bastardized and gotten a bad rep, it's core values of "Individuals and interactions over processes and tools" and principles like "The most efficient and e…

Yea, same here both as a manager and an IC. I definitely see the value with async stand-ups. A daily slack reminder just doesn't cut it there for most teams. But if you have a time where everyone can meet for 15 minutes then just talking for 10-15 minutes (my team has 30 minutes blocked off but we rarely hit that unless there's some kind of more in-depth discussion that arises) is invaluable.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by majikandy »

DocTomoe wrote: post #4

Hm, from a purely agile standpoint: This seems to reduce daily stand-ups to status report meetings (and then, why have a stand-up at all?). Does a stand-up that is over in 5 minutes (and has 10-15 minutes of prep time) really bring value to anyone but a team lead?

Yesterday, today, blockers… already feels like a relic from the past.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

DocTomoe wrote: post #4

Hm, from a purely agile standpoint: This seems to reduce daily stand-ups to status report meetings (and then, why have a stand-up at all?). Does a stand-up that is over in 5 minutes (and has 10-15 minutes of prep time) really bring value to anyone but a team lead?

I do like to know where we stand, but in an ideal scrum team everyone's constantly aware of what is going on and catching each other up is no longer necessary.

But that's idealized circumstances; during the Panny-D and people working remotely, it turns out people prefer to just keep their head down all day and maybe only check in at the stand-up. That is also fine, I guess.

Re: Launch HN: Spinach.io (YC W22) – Better daily standups

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Post by asutekku »

As I see it, this doesn't reduce the the overhead at all but just increases it by introducing a third party tool to the mix and requiring everyone to engage with it.

Sure, it might help if your daily standup is already a mess, but overall just by fixing the process by having a single person running the daily and making sure no-one starts to ramble too much solves the problem of excess time spent in dailies. Assuming you want to keep them.

I could of course be wrong and if I am, best of the luck for you.

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