No post body was provided.
I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
151–160 of 202 posts
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
For number 1, I would look for scenarios where rhe officer was found to have committed misconduct or found to be unreliable. Then watch if they're involved in subsequent cases/departments when should probably never work as an officer again. Just my thoughts on one thing that could be done.
I'm not in the U.S so I might be ignorant, but wouldn't it be fair to collect positive data too, and not just misconducts?
What would that look like?
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
>sounds like a mental health emergency Sure, you can dose him up with Haldol and solve that particular emergency. What happens when he does it again next week? And the week after that? Persistent severe mental illness is interesting in that it's a new problem. For all of human history, severe mental illness was a death sentence. Either you'd get beaten to death by your largest neighbor for acting weird, or your villa…
We need to take another try at involuntary institutionalization of the mentally ill. It should be cheaper than prisons and more humane as well. The homeless crisis begs for this. Just got to work out trivial details like how to not have that power be abused...
[deleted]
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming the data is accurate it can be used to show disparities between groups for a variety of situations - traffic stops, arrests, jail vs. diversion programs, charge stacking, etc..
Depends on what the data shows. For instance, nobody ever wants to talk about why 95% of those killed in police shootings are males. It's far more disproportionate than any of the race based numbers that make headlines daily, and yet..nothing. This seems to indicate the data will always and only be used to tell a preferred narrative.
...because there's a plausible and uncontested rationale, unlike skin color? Men generally have more testosterone, which leads to aggression and worse impulse control. Nobody's talking about the reason men are 95% of police shootings because it's pretty obvious.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They don't want the rate to be low, they want it to be zero I'm not sure what the problem is with that. Of course mistakes happen but it should be the goal. The red team also seems to have less of those "oopsie I just killed you" moments, so perhaps that might color things there. And then you go on to the far end that calls for abolishing police/prisons and make that the general team blue zeitgeist. There's low han…
Guy shouting fuck you pig while surrounded by 50 SWAT guys sounds like a mental health emergency. Can't do much about that. Ain't called first respondersfor nothing.
I mean, you can, but everyone involved has already ruled out doing any kind of root cause analysis because they don't like the obvious solutions to the causes, so both "gun" and "mental health emergency" and "shooting by police" are treated as natural events like weather that we cannot hope to understand or control.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's also when I learned that many people don't want to listen to statistics unless they agree with their own preconceptions. This has been my experience with bodycam footage, I've found that there's been quite a few heavily protested police involved shootings that when looking over the footage and the facts of the situation, were by the book and completely justified, yet no matter how many times you say to someo…
The PoliceActivity youtube channel is interesting for this. https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos (For most of the videos, which show people dying, you must be logged into a youtube account to pass the "violent content" prompt) Maybe 9 out of 10 videos are "good kills". Officer says something like "hey, stop committing a crime", the suspect says something along the lines of "fuck you pig!", pulls a gun, and…
The problem is the ""good"" kills should also be regarded as failures of the system in a lot of cases.
> They don't want the rate to be low, they want it to be zero
Well, yes. "Thou shalt not kill" does not have an "unless you're a cop" footnote. There is no acceptable number of your children you would tolerate the shooting of.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on what the data shows. For instance, nobody ever wants to talk about why 95% of those killed in police shootings are males. It's far more disproportionate than any of the race based numbers that make headlines daily, and yet..nothing. This seems to indicate the data will always and only be used to tell a preferred narrative.
...because there's a plausible and uncontested rationale, unlike skin color? Men generally have more testosterone, which leads to aggression and worse impulse control. Nobody's talking about the reason men are 95% of police shootings because it's pretty obvious.
> ...because there's a plausible and uncontested rationale, unlike skin color? Men generally have more testosterone, which leads to aggression and worse impulse control.
Why isn't it plausible that different groups are different in some ways? For instance, when it comes to testosterone, this seems to be the science.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK20759/
> In fact, African American men have higher exposure to testosterone, the main biologically potent circulating androgen, than their Caucasian and Asian counterparts, beginning in the in utero period. African American women have testosterone levels that exceed those of Caucasian women by 50% or more in early pregnancy, an exposure that has been hypothesized to permanently alter the “gonadostat,” the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis, in African American male offspring relative to Caucasians. African American men during young adulthood also have substantially higher circulating testosterone levels than their Caucasian counterparts (approximately 13 to 15% difference at age 20 years). Although this difference appears to dissipate with age, African American men still have slightly higher testosterone levels than Caucasians (≈3% higher) at age 40 years.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Guy shouting fuck you pig while surrounded by 50 SWAT guys sounds like a mental health emergency. Can't do much about that. Ain't called first respondersfor nothing.
Second comment because I was responding without addressing your point properly: somebody in a crisis like that could possibly be helped if there weren't 50 SWAT guys eager to take target practice. There's obviously violent scenarios that can only be addressed with violence, but bringing that on should be a last resort.
Putting someone already in crisis into a dangerous situation (surrounding them with SWAT) is going to make the crisis much worse. The film we see of people having a mental health crisis always comes from after the cops have shown up; they may have been much less agitated beforehand.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#159This is important. Locally, we had a sheriff who was being heavily, heavily criticized due to several deaths at the county facility. This was at the height of the protests a few years ago. It was a lot of work to find data on policing nationwide, because the question really was "Is the sheriff doing a bad job, or do bad things happen sometimes?" After some hard work trying to identify other cities with similar socioe…
It's the same sort of thing with body cameras. If anything they capture a lot more context about situations. Generally I think the police will start to want to have the safety of the record keeping rather than not.
Police are already notorious for turning off their body cameras when it's convenient for them. Some police shootings result in no bodycam footage at all even though most or all officers were wearing one.
Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could scrape improved social safety nets, better access to birth control, and taxing the rich to pay for it.
How could we use that data to help prevent crime? To best mimic the success of the original post, it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood so we could help them first with tax relief, food, birth control, whatever would help the most.
> it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood
That would be the police.