If it’s always the people… it might be you.
Ask HN: It's always the people isn't it?
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#12My reasons are usually related to processes or the rate of growth for me as a person within the company. I can work just fine with jerks by aligning on the process for collaboration. What I can't work fine with, is a place that disregards processes and people.
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#13If it’s always the people… it might be you.
If it's always everyone else then it might be OP, but it'd be unfair to assume that. It's possible they've worked in a few teams of 10-15 people of which a couple were disruptive enough in some way that it was easier to move than to try to confront them or otherwise resolve it somehow
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#14Genuine question: What else would it be? Companies are just groups of people. Anything you like or dislike about a company is always, ultimately, about people (whether that is management, peers, clients, support staff, etc).
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#15It's usually the people - but don't rule out that sometimes the reason people are behaving strangely, let's say, is that there are financial, business, or somewhat corrupt pressures they are unwilling to talk about.
Which is probably also a clue to run away, terribly fast.
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#16There is a saying in HR "People join companies. They leave managers." #my2cents
I've heard that as well, but that leaves me uncertain. A good manager can only do so much. When the company despises its workers or is reluctant to expenses or hirings or reorg or...
I'd prefer to say "people join companies, they leave because of management", which points fingers a little less to the direct manager and a bit more to the whole org tree.
Note: I'm a manager, maybe I'm just protecting myself and my own kind.
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#17There is a saying in HR "People join companies. They leave managers." #my2cents
I think I’ve only left a manager once in my career. For everything else it’s just been moving to better opportunities, less commuting, desire to move country, etc.
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#18If it’s always the people… it might be you.
If it's always everyone else then it might be OP, but it'd be unfair to assume that. It's possible they've worked in a few teams of 10-15 people of which a couple were disruptive enough in some way that it was easier to move than to try to confront them or otherwise resolve it somehow
The OP is asking for life advice anonymously. There's no safer environment for them to hear the sorts of things people think but wouldn't otherwise say.
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#19Yes. It's always people.
hard agendas, sociopaths, outright hostile middle management. You need to look after your own mental health and financial resources - noone else will. Also very very uncommon for loyalty to pay.
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#20All of society, the businesses that sit atop them, the business rules, the targets the deadlines, the unreal expectations, etc.--at their base, they exist because people. If you dig far enough there's someone causing issues. The same can be said about positive effects too though. So yea, it's always people, unless you're doing it as a hobby and are in control.