I need to know a lot more about this before I make up my mind.
There is definitely something amiss.
Carlsen might be over reacting but he seems to have very strong suspicions.
Look forward to the sequel, chess is in an exciting space.
Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
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Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That’s absolutely not the rule and neither you nor Carlsen get to decide that. There is no permissiveness here. Hans has played according to the rule of the tournament. There is no evidence of cheating. That’s it. Unless you have proof of what you are advancing, you…
He's admitted to cheating in the past. The Bayesian priors for him currently cheating are not the same as for other people.
Bayesian priors aren't really known for their rigour.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why care about racing when a motor vehicle can do travel at speed better, by that logic?
Good question... Why should we care? It's like "okay, here we have a bunch of genetically gifted people who spend their whole lives training for that. Why should we care whether someone can run 100m in less than 10s or not? What difference does it make to any of us if Usain Bolt is the fastest man to run the 200m on a very controlled environment?" This is not to say that running as an activity is useless, or that we…
The answer is entertainment. I don’t care about any sports (though after a brief stint in watching LoL esports around 2011-2014, I at least understand the theoretical appeal), but many people do. Others don’t care about music. Or about films. But in the end all of it is bread and games.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#114More context: https://old.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/xii9dz/cham...
Magnus has made spectacular blunders of embarrassing levels in the past and after world champion title. It just shows he is human.
Chess players cannot be just treated like exact subjects in an experiment, especially with a sample size of 1 and std deviation of infinity. Noise factors are too many and sample size needed to account for that is huge.
Also current rating is not a reliable measure. Many young players are rising and they climb by beating players stronger than them.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#115Magnus Carlsen has basically been a model champion for close to a decade now. He's not known for controversy and the odd situations where he dealt with less-than-classy opponents, he's taken it on the chin and moved on, usually with nothing more than brief statement. And he has been very positive about other younger GM's. So him coming out and "accusing" Niemann is akin to a nobel prize winning scientist accusing a g…
What? Just because of reputation? What are you even talking about... Have you ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? The burden of proof is on the accuser. We should be shown evidence, or Carlsen should apologize.
Turns out if someone acts in a way for years people start to believe they'll act the same way later on. Crazy.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#116A possible explanation I haven’t seen yet is that Magnus his second move is meant as a test. It reminds me of the old days where a chess computer would take much longer for an uncommon move at the start than a common move. Maybe Magnus was testing the response of Hans to his uncommon move and wasn’t pleased with the result? I don’t think that Magnus his behaviour is random. I mean he is literally a chess player.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#117Magnus Carlsen has basically been a model champion for close to a decade now. He's not known for controversy and the odd situations where he dealt with less-than-classy opponents, he's taken it on the chin and moved on, usually with nothing more than brief statement. And he has been very positive about other younger GM's. So him coming out and "accusing" Niemann is akin to a nobel prize winning scientist accusing a g…
Carlsen had no problem playing Hans in the Meltwater championship weeks before the Sinquefeld cup. He had no issue playing Hans in the Sinquefeld cup.
Until he lost to Hans.
It’s also important to note that Magnus has still not actually accused Hans of anything. He’s letting insinuations, innuendo and Twitter imaginations run wild do all the work for him.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As more evidence comes out I haven't seen evidence of Neumann's cheating, as is claimed in this comment. Only allegations, which do not look very strong to me.
In my experience, people who do do deceitful stuff - steal, lie and cheat - act quite predictably when confronted with their allegations: 1. I didn't cheat! 2. Ok yeah I cheated those times but I never did it again 3. GOTO 1 It seems we've gone through this cycle once already - where Niemann has admitted that he was caught cheating on two occasions in the past. And now chess.com are saying actually he has cheated mor…
This is exactly how it works. It's disappointing how many ifs and buts people are giving him just because they don't particularly like Carlsen. It really shows.
Cheaters are serial cheaters, and they will deny deny deny.
The problem is really that he has admitted to cheating more than once. There is a reason why sports and just about everything else employs zero-tolerance policies: It doesn't just happen once.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t understand why people are going out their way to justify Carlsen attitude. What we have is the world champion throwing a tantrum because he lost against a player there is absolutely no evidence has cheated against him and is now calling for him to be expelled despite having no evidence whatsoever. This is harassment pure and simple. The whole thing is disgraceful and reflects extremely badly on competitive ch…
I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…
The only confirmed cheating we know is online, in a no prize money setting at ages 12 and 16. This is hardly sufficent for banning him for life in FIDE OTB Tournaments as an adult if they don't have other evidence. It's like banning a sports player for life for cheating in high school games or an academic for cheating in their math test as a kid.
Re: Magnus Carlsen resigns against Hans Niemann after one move
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That we have this bizarre attitude of permissiveness and time salvation around cheaters in competition is frankly bizarre. What other argument is there than to refuse to engage. It is not difficult to simply never cheat, in the same way that it is not difficult to simp…
> I'm with Carlsen on this. If you're caught or admit to cheating even once in a professional competitive career that's it - You should be out for good. That’s absolutely not the rule and neither you nor Carlsen get to decide that. There is no permissiveness here. Hans has played according to the rule of the tournament. There is no evidence of cheating. That’s it. Unless you have proof of what you are advancing, you…
> That’s absolutely not the rule and neither you nor Carlsen get to decide that.
That should be the rule.
Everyone can help to make this new norm by refusing to play against players who have cheated. Carlsen is helping to make it the rule.