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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by threeseed »

kramerger wrote: post #478
simondotau wrote: post #469

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Imagine if, after criticising the panel gaps on a Tesla, a representative from Lego points out that Lego cars don't have this problem and that Lego has a steadfast commitment to precise tolerances. As someone who uses (and is continually appreciative of) multiple AirGradient-derived devices throughout my house, my immediate reaction was one of confusion given how monstrously incomparable your product is to an iPhone.…

> Apple devices weren't made difficult to repair because Apple actively despised repairers. IIRC the front panel uses DRM to stop unauthorized screen replacement.

Which is to make the device secure for users who are Apple's highest priority.

It's amazing to me that developers, resellers etc seem to forget this.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Xorlev »

ahaucnx wrote: post #456
Xorlev wrote: post #442

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How much are they, and where can I buy one? I don't typically follow through on "contact for pricing".

We focus on b2b and prices start at USD200. We also have an open source kit with very similar sensors starting at around USD70. More information here: https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/

Thanks! I'm happy ya'll sell a kit, definitely going to pick one up. :)

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by newaccount74 »

mrtksn wrote: post #284
deathanatos wrote: post #270

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> I never in my life purchased a brand new device with intention or plan to repair it. Devices don't last forever. What happens when inevitably, it fails? I don't want to be buying a new iPhone all the time — money still doesn't grow on trees — and even outside of Apple's ridiculously overpriced products, replacing e.g., my entire laptop¹ because a component failed is not enticing. Better if the design permits a $5 r…

Apple devices last forever, it's pretty common to give the old devices to your parents or sell them - the Apple device market is very vibrant because they last. By the time that the device would fail due to wear and tear you probably wouldn't want to use it anyway. You may remind me about design failures of Apple where the devices would break down but Apple does repair programs or recalls when something like that hap…

> Apple does repair programs or recalls when something like that happens

Usually those repair programs are limited to a few years after purchase. I still have a 2015 MBP where the reflective coating is damaged (screen looks really bad) but it only got bad after the repair program has expired.

I also had a 2016 MBP (gave it to a relative) but I'm scared that the flex cable or the keyboard are going to fail and repair is going to be too expensive and Apple won't fix it because it is too old.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by hackmiester »

j16sdiz wrote: post #420
_V_ wrote: post #384

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Any modern iPhone has its battery held by pull tabs (double sided tape that lets go when you pull on it sideways). They are sometimes PITA to remove but you just need tweezers, fingers and bit of luck to remove it :-) Adhering the battery is the same - just press in place. Heat is only needed for opening/closing the phone.

Are they water tight after repair? Can you re-open with the same ease?

I had mine done by Apple at an Apple Store and then got it wet two days later. It was destroyed instantly. They gave me a new phone at no cost.

As a result, I now recommend AppleCare replacement over any repair, if the water resistance is important to you.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ornornor »

dkonofalski wrote: post #228
ornornor wrote: post #226

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Pairing parts with phones is going out of their way to hinder self repair.

That is an incredibly ignorant statement. Pairing parts with the SOC is a security feature. The intent is to increase security with the side-effect being a more difficult repair process. You're acting like they did it with the purpose of trying to hinder self-repair. If that was the case, they wouldn't be taking any measures to make self-repair easier.

> You're acting like they did it with the purpose of trying to hinder self-repair.

That’s certainly one interpretation. What’s the security rationale behind disabling functions if you don’t pair the phone’s replacement glass panel? Or if you take a genuine battery from another phone (since Apple doesn’t sell them for most models directly) and put it in your phone? It’s a genuine battery but it’ll nag you and disable functionality because you didn’t pair it with your phone using software Apple didn’t release.

This goes beyond security and is downright hostile to user repair.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by teitoklien »

threeseed wrote: post #491
kramerger wrote: post #478

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> Apple devices weren't made difficult to repair because Apple actively despised repairers. IIRC the front panel uses DRM to stop unauthorized screen replacement.

Which is to make the device secure for users who are Apple's highest priority. It's amazing to me that developers, resellers etc seem to forget this.

This is a bad excuse.

0.002% of our customers need security against sophisticated hackers who have the capability to hijack a repair service and replace it with a spying custom made iphone screen replacement.

Let’s make screen repairs 5-7x more expensive for 100% of our customers !

That will get the hackers !

Yea, right.... If you’re that paranoid about your security, go to an authorized apple repair centre which doesn’t bother repairing the parts and just charges you to replace the entire circuitry.

No one’s stopping you. Leave the rest of us, alone from this.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by simondotau »

teitoklien wrote: post #496
threeseed wrote: post #491

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Which is to make the device secure for users who are Apple's highest priority. It's amazing to me that developers, resellers etc seem to forget this.

This is a bad excuse. 0.002% of our customers need security against sophisticated hackers who have the capability to hijack a repair service and replace it with a spying custom made iphone screen replacement. Let’s make screen repairs 5-7x more expensive for 100% of our customers ! That will get the hackers ! Yea, right.... If you’re that paranoid about your security, go to an authorized apple repair centre which doe…

My opinion of this dismissive attitude towards security, were I to express it with sufficient honesty, would probably get me banned from Hacker News. It is the hardware equivalent of “only people with something to hide need encryption”.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by vertis »

ahaucnx wrote: post #485
simondotau wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if, after criticising the panel gaps on a Tesla, a representative from Lego points out that Lego cars don't have this problem and that Lego has a steadfast commitment to precise tolerances. As someone who uses (and is continually appreciative of) multiple AirGradient-derived devices throughout my house, my immediate reaction was one of confusion given how monstrously incomparable your product is to an iPhone.…

That is a good point. I believe you are having our DIY air quality kits that are as you describe very simple. Our commercial product AirGradient ONE has a much more complex PCB with tons of additional components e.g. DC DC converter to run it from 12-36v, modbus chip, external hardware watchdogs etc. We have made a lot of comparisons to other air quality monitors and there is a significance difference in the repaiarb…

For the most part phone consumers don't really care about this though, at least not at the point of purchase. If you're going to offer a choice between easier repair and the newest feature, say a new camera sensor, and that makes it harder to repair, they're going to pick the better camera. (I accept that Apple is actively hostile to repairers as well)

If it was a hugely important element, the Fairphone would be the market leader vs Samsung/Apple.

As you no doubt know, it varies depending on the audience. If you have a nerdy DIY audience, or a technical enterprise tech audience they're going to come with different requirements.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by simondotau »

ahaucnx wrote: post #485
simondotau wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if, after criticising the panel gaps on a Tesla, a representative from Lego points out that Lego cars don't have this problem and that Lego has a steadfast commitment to precise tolerances. As someone who uses (and is continually appreciative of) multiple AirGradient-derived devices throughout my house, my immediate reaction was one of confusion given how monstrously incomparable your product is to an iPhone.…

That is a good point. I believe you are having our DIY air quality kits that are as you describe very simple. Our commercial product AirGradient ONE has a much more complex PCB with tons of additional components e.g. DC DC converter to run it from 12-36v, modbus chip, external hardware watchdogs etc. We have made a lot of comparisons to other air quality monitors and there is a significance difference in the repaiarb…

Your reply makes no sense in the context of the article. They have just now shown that they do want to.

Proprietary/security screws don’t inhibit anyone from opening a phone other than those who would have no hope of doing anything beyond causing further damage with 100% certainty. Anyone with a sufficiently curious ten-year-old ought to be particularly thankful here.

Obscure security screws are common throughout the industry and are rarely ever the reason why a device is difficult to repair by anyone for whom success is within the set of possible outcomes.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by hetspookjee »

kaba0 wrote: post #486
hetspookjee wrote: post #353

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Oh come on. The backside is made of glass and costs an astonishing 570euros to replace. That’s not striving to do right.

What other material is basically impossible to scratch?

I’m not suggesting an alternative material. I’m suggesting a more sane way of replacing the backside. For the iPhone 13 Pro it’s so expensive and hard to do they even just hand you a new phone rather than fixing it.
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