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‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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Does anyone know if the new evidence exonorates him or if it simply proved that the case and trial were mishandled?

I'm so curious as to what evidence there is or isn't. I hope he is re-tried unless there is some bombshell evidence, as I believe he is guilty from what I know as a laymen consumer of the media content..

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#132

'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…

Podcasts have been a thing since the mid-2000s or so. The name comes from the fact that you were supposed to download them and listen to them on your iPod. It may be a popular, influential podcast that established norms for the true-crime podcast format, but calling it the podcast that launched all podcasts is like calling JavaScript the language that launched all languages.

C/C++ were the languages that launched all languages. Serial is like C. It’s not the first language, but it’s the most important modern language.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#133

When I finished the podcast I was not at all convinced of his innocence. For me was 50/50 or even 60/40 against innocence. Just my takeaway/opinion of course.. EDIT However, reading both of the AP News articles on this now, it does serve to sway me more toward his innocence. Crazy that the prosecutors withheld this at that time.. Par for the course unfortunately I guess. Seems as though the SA office is trying to do…

I think that's part of the recipe.. All the editing and cleverness of This American Life, a crime and then enough open questions to let you feel one way or the other and wanting more. I don't remember my exact feelings on his guilt or not but I felt really strongly that the system hadn't worked correctly. Makes you wonder how many less charming guys are in prison because they didn't get a fair defense. The other thin…

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Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#134

I never understand the lack of humility by prosecutors and often the victim's families. People's confidence in people's guilt is just so high, I don't understand it.

People always want blood and will latch on to the most likely choice. I'll say that we should expect the victim's family to act rational though. Tragedy makes emotions run high. We should hold ourselves accountable though.

It's mind blowing that some people admit the case was funny and still call for his head. If there's a hole in the case, that's not enough for me.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #11

Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…

Serial left me thinking that Syed was probably guilty, or at the very least the case was a close call. The practical truth is that if we required this level of scrutiny for every conviction to stick, we’d multiply by an order of magnitude or two the number of guilty criminals who cannot be convicted.

> The practical truth is that if we required this level of scrutiny for every conviction to stick, we’d multiply by an order of magnitude or two the number of guilty criminals who cannot be convicted.

While reducing by an order of magnitude or two the number of innocent people being sent to prison.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #11

Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…

I hated Serial so goddamn much. I honestly felt like it did a terrible job of establishing much reasonable doubt and it just sort of... ends? Would you still recommend Undisclosed?

> I honestly felt like it did a terrible job of establishing much reasonable doubt and it just sort of... ends?

The goal of Serial wasn't to establish reasonable doubt. She was asked to look into the case, and she's reporting what she found. There was hope that there would be some conclusion, but it wasn't the expectation when she began the story.

As for the ending, what exactly would you want? I thought it was clear from the outset that it would be an open ended investigation, and the early episodes were released before she was done with all the interviews, etc. That it may end without a conclusion was kind of the default expectation. That a reporter would be able to dig deep and either exonerate or damn him is closer to the realm of fantasy. His case was not a slam dunk in either direction.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #34

'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…

> 'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts Sorry, but this statement is objectively wrong. Podcasts have existed for close to 20 years in the way we understand them today. Serial may have helped to popularize podcasts, but in no way was original.

Serial is the first podcast I can recall being referenced in mainstream network TV pop culture. SNL did skits about it. It was mentioned in dialog on other shpws. BoJack's girlfriend used it as her ringtone.

It was everywhere in a way no other podcast had been previously.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #35

'Serial' was the podcast that launched all podcasts. It was the defining podcast. It isn't that it was hyper monetized or incredibly financially successful; simply it showed that the audience was there. It has over 340 million listens as of 2018 . With this eviction of conviction, I suspect that number will be over a billion. It is fitting that it has come full circle and fulfilled the ultimate purpose of investigati…

Maybe Serial launched the modern commerically produced crime podcast format, but I'd give a shout out to The History of Rome by Mike Duncan as the "defining podcast." It started quite a bit earlier (2007) and proved that there is a big audience (65 million downloads) for obscure topics covered in depth. Serial spun out of This American Life, so it had some audience to begin with, but THOR is truly "let me put this ou…

Have you listened to Revolutions, his more recent podcast? Also great — and there are ten seasons, each about a different revolution, in-depth.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or their concept of “certainty” or “doubt” is different from yours.

I'm not even sure what that is really supposed to mean. If 100% precludes the potential of an event with infinitesimal likelihood (mass delusion, possession by ghosts, etc.), then as I said nobody ever gets convicted. Otherwise, any "concept of certainty" that uses "100%" to refer to something that might not occur, is either gravely misusing mathematical notation or self-contradictory.

While technically correct this is obviously not how people speak. If you ask someone 'what is the percent chance that drinking this glass of water I just got out of the tap in New York City will kill me within a few seconds?' They would respond '0%', even though by a mathematical definition that is not true.

Re: ‘Serial’ case: Adnan Syed released, conviction tossed

#140
post #11

Serial was blowout success, but flawed in many ways. For me, chief amongst these is not updating the podcast with new (and potentially exculpatory) information as it came to light over the years. What really progressed the case was the Undisclosed podcast [0]. Rabia Chaudry, a childhood friend of Adnan and an attorney, first took Adnan's story to Sarah Koenig, who documented it in the Serial podcast. But in Undisclos…

Serial left me thinking that Syed was probably guilty, or at the very least the case was a close call. The practical truth is that if we required this level of scrutiny for every conviction to stick, we’d multiply by an order of magnitude or two the number of guilty criminals who cannot be convicted.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." --William Blackstone (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone%27s_ratio)
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