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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by Dylan16807 »

joshmanders wrote: post #221
dkonofalski wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then, in that case, I agree. I just felt like you were downplaying the number of people that actually do benefit from it and would benefit more with the recent change.

I don't know, the amount of people who aren't tech savvy that I know who contact me because they know I'm tech savvy tells me that a lot more "normal people" can find advantages in AC+ than us tech savvy people who take better care of our devices. I know since meeting my gf who is tech dumb, my device is more beaten up than it ever had been before due to just her using it randomly here and there.

Unless the average "tech dumb" person is throwing things at walls out of frustration, I don't see why that would mean more damage.

I can be very careful with something I don't understand, and I can be reckless with something I do understand.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ahaucnx »

otterley wrote: post #445
ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

That's cool and all, but what you've built is not a phone and doesn't need to be IP67-rated for water resistance at 1 meter depth.

Yes it's probably easier to design but there are no reasons why a phone needs so many glued parts inside and the latest iPhone demonstrates that there are ways to design for maintainability.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by lukas099 »

hot_gril wrote: post #167

> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. This made me chuckle. I'm willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of users care far more about the camera than the repairability. The latter is hardly even something they consider. It will probably help them in unseen ways, like improving resale value.

Maybe not at first, but a million Apple users who break their devices having a good experience with the repair vs. a bad one is a good thing for Apple.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ahaucnx »

intrasight wrote: post #436
ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

Looks promising and I'm in the market for a few. Too bad I can't buy them.

See my comment above about pricing. We also have pre-soldered open source kits available that are "hacker friendly". More information on this page: https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/kits/

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ahaucnx »

nicbou wrote: post #453
ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

That about page is really bland. Your comment feels far more genuine than this. It would sell far better.

That's a good point we were not aware. We will rewrite that page and make it more authentic.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by lukas099 »

dylan604 wrote: post #320
majani wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would matter if it was highlighted. People care about repairability of expensive items. Admittedly, it is a secondary concern, but I would say it is probably the top secondary concern

Is it? Most people that might be concerned just pay for Apple Care, and then let Apple repair it. Only the 1% of people that are techy/nerdy enough to even try this are even bothered by this.

This is about speed, not cost of repair. The selling point of Apple Care is that it takes the stress out of your phone breaking.

When my sister's iPhone's screen broke, she took it to the Apple Store at the mall to use her Apple Care benefits. When they gave her some enormous time estimate, she marched to the iFixUrPhone stand and they did it in an hour. I believe Apple knows that this is a problem and is taking some preliminary steps to fix it. That's what this play is about.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by behnamoh »

ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

tbh, products/services named "one" are so cliche these days. At least it makes sense if the next product is called AG 2 or something.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by dylan604 »

lukas099 wrote: post #466
dylan604 wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Most people that might be concerned just pay for Apple Care, and then let Apple repair it. Only the 1% of people that are techy/nerdy enough to even try this are even bothered by this.

This is about speed, not cost of repair. The selling point of Apple Care is that it takes the stress out of your phone breaking. When my sister's iPhone's screen broke, she took it to the Apple Store at the mall to use her Apple Care benefits. When they gave her some enormous time estimate, she marched to the iFixUrPhone stand and they did it in an hour. I believe Apple knows that this is a problem and is taking some…

Yeah, you kind of need to make an appointment through their app. When you do that, you walk in, they find you a person, then it takes about the same hour.

I'm honestly surprised they even accepted you as a walk-in

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by simondotau »

ahaucnx wrote: post #424

On our product (air quality monitor[1]) we made the concious decision to design it for long life and repairability by e.g.: - using no glue or snaps - all components on one PCB, no thin cables that can break - standard philips/torx screws - four screws to open the enclosure, four screws to take out the pcb - expensive sensor modules on pin sockets for easy reaplacement - only using components that are certified for l…

Imagine if, after criticising the panel gaps on a Tesla, a representative from Lego points out that Lego cars don't have this problem and that Lego has a steadfast commitment to precise tolerances. As someone who uses (and is continually appreciative of) multiple AirGradient-derived devices throughout my house, my immediate reaction was one of confusion given how monstrously incomparable your product is to an iPhone.

AirGradient hardware is little more than a plastic box and a relatively basic PCB which makes around a dozen connections between few off-the-shelf prototyping components which need direct exposure to room air — they can't be sealed or weatherproofed. Repairability is literally the default state for this class of product; making it less repairable would have required more effort.

Apple devices weren't made difficult to repair because Apple actively despised repairers. They were difficult to repair because Apple lacked sufficient concern over repairability and had other priorities such as as thickness, weight, simplification and efficiency of manufacturing.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by [deleted] »

dylan604 wrote: post #468
lukas099 wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is about speed, not cost of repair. The selling point of Apple Care is that it takes the stress out of your phone breaking. When my sister's iPhone's screen broke, she took it to the Apple Store at the mall to use her Apple Care benefits. When they gave her some enormous time estimate, she marched to the iFixUrPhone stand and they did it in an hour. I believe Apple knows that this is a problem and is taking some…

Yeah, you kind of need to make an appointment through their app. When you do that, you walk in, they find you a person, then it takes about the same hour. I'm honestly surprised they even accepted you as a walk-in

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