Wells apples are a smallish fruit right? That’s what they mean right?
Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
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Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right. It's "wrong" in the sense that Apple pays another company to deal with horrifying working conditions in their absence.
That’s not really what’s going on ether, the CCP doesn’t let foreign companies setup and run factories inside of China. So Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony etc all end up using Foxconn to manufacture electronics at scale. Foxconn is actually slightly above average for Chinese manufacturing, but that’s really saying more about working conditions in China than anything positive about Foxconn.
Foxconn is a foreign corporation that set up and runs factories inside China; they are from Taiwan.
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
- Apple is 50% of the US smartphone market, and what this means in factual terms is that they're the gateway to computing, communication, banking, and more for these folks. - Apple doesn't allow side loading of apps. You have to go through their store with their rules. - You have to pay Apple 15% of all commerce originated on your idea or platform. - You have to integrate with Apple login and Apple payments, which re…
- On the flip side, Android has _88%_ of the global market share. Arguably (and quite clearly) the bigger gateway. By a country mile. - What average user side loads apps? That would be like asking to sideload apps on your microwave -- it's just impractical and not the commonplace behavior. I understand this is HN, but still. Sideloading apps is a minor complaint for a minority: Google report recently showed 0.06 of u…
On the topic of whatever percentage of people are on Platform X and Y: I really wish devs would look at things in absolute terms sometimes
I used to be a huge Windows Phone fan. During its heyday, it wasn't far behind Android or iOS in features, and it was in a really sweet spot where it was almost as open as Android to hacking without being hideously primitive and janky like Android was at the time. (Talking ancient Android, before the anti-jank project) Windows Phone had something like 50+ million users. Nobody would port any apps to it though, even "apps" that were just tracking code bundled around a website.
It was so damn frustrating that companies would come out with apps for set top boxes and game consoles that had total install bases a fraction the size of the Windows Phone market, but they'd completely ignore that phone platform since it was a smaller percentage of the overall phone market. What was even more bizarre is that they'd usually launch on iOS first despite its tiny install base relative to Android at the time, since the execs personally liked iPhones better.
Somehow the path of every big business and VC required an "app" on iOS first, then eventually adding half-assed Android support, and not only did they not support other platforms, they'd actively block users from hacking together their own open source clients for linux, Windows Phone, etc.
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#84fascinating read. from what I've gathered its a story about a three-hundred fifty billion dollar international company that employs child labor and once had to install suicide nets on their factory buildings. the story indicates they've also decided the counterintelligence level data they collect from their walled garden of proprietary-only apps is entirely insufficient to thwart oncemore being pressed to acquiesce t…
I hate to simp for Apple, but comeon man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides#Analysis > ABC News[48] and The Economist[49] both conducted comparisons and found that although the number of workplace suicides at Foxconn was large in absolute terms, the suicide rate was actually lower than the overall suicide rate of China[50] or the United States.[51] According to a 2011 Centers for Disease Control and Preve…
What's the suicide rate amongst people with a steady, full-time job, though?
I would imagine that nation-wide suicide statistic would be heavily skewed by people who are elderly, disabled, extremely socially isolated or otherwise on the fringes of society.
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Next you'll tell me that the top funder of disease advocacy groups is big pharma, and that the top funders of YIMBY groups are huge property owners This is called coalition building. It's powerful if done openly. There is a natural alliance between small app developers and the App Store. That Apple was underhanded in its support is unsavory. But a legitimate, rational small-developer lobby wouldn't rule out working…
Why would small developers work to prop up a giant who already has so much power imbalance wrt them that they pretty much cannot do anything if it decides to, say, yank their app from the store for uncertain reasons?
"that would never happen to me" combined with "I can make a few bucks on this platform"
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#86No, no, no, Apple can do no evil, this is a hit-piece.
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#87Next you'll tell me that the top funder of disease advocacy groups is big pharma, and that the top funders of YIMBY groups are huge property owners.
> Next you'll tell me that the top funder of disease advocacy groups is big pharma, and that the top funders of YIMBY groups are huge property owners This is called coalition building. It's powerful if done openly. There is a natural alliance between small app developers and the App Store. That Apple was underhanded in its support is unsavory. But a legitimate, rational small-developer lobby wouldn't rule out working…
> This is called coalition building.
No, this is called astroturfing. The wallet defines the direction of the group.
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know it's a lot to ask, but would you mind providing some additional background as to the different sides and the potential outcomes / ramifications of this case? You seem to have a lot of context in this area. Could this lead to a VCR/DVR future where we're once again able to record or download steaming content? Platforms and DRM have taken us a step back from the freedoms we once enjoyed. I would be overjoyed to…
Frankly--as someone at the front line of all of this stuff--none of these DMCA related arguments have much "practical" importance in the medium-to-long term :/. (This is not at all to say it is a waste of time or anything: the right to examine products and discuss what you learn is really really important and is the basis of security research, so these lawsuits are extremely important and this DMCA law--which likely…
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Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#89If the core issue is the cut, why don’t they target Google/Android instead since there are so many more people with Android phones? Why pick on Apple?
It should be illegal to go into Apple/Google threads to post "why not Google/Apple?"
Re: Apple is top funder of lobby group that says it represents small developers
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s not really what’s going on ether, the CCP doesn’t let foreign companies setup and run factories inside of China. So Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Apple, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony etc all end up using Foxconn to manufacture electronics at scale. Foxconn is actually slightly above average for Chinese manufacturing, but that’s really saying more about working conditions in China than anything positive about Foxconn.
Foxconn is a foreign corporation that set up and runs factories inside China; they are from Taiwan.
Not quite, the corporate structure is a little complicated but they are sort of made up of separate companies. Which is why “Foxconn Industrial Internet Co Ltd” for example has it’s own stock and is located at “2F C1 Foxconn Technology Park 2 Donghuan 2 Road Longhua Stre Shenzhen, 518109 China”
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/601138:CH?leadSource=uverify...
China isn’t going to let a foreign company operate an ISP in China, but a China/Foreign partnership is acceptable.