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I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Thanks for taking the time to be obnoxious to one of the tiny percentage of people who's willing to make a personal sacrifice towards important real world problems for a reason other than making money. Do everyone a favor and go back to wherever you came from and stay there quietly.

The clickbait-y headline made me not want to click on the article, so pointing out the wording isn't a bad idea. I almost didn't read the article due to the title.

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This is important. Locally, we had a sheriff who was being heavily, heavily criticized due to several deaths at the county facility. This was at the height of the protests a few years ago. It was a lot of work to find data on policing nationwide, because the question really was "Is the sheriff doing a bad job, or do bad things happen sometimes?" After some hard work trying to identify other cities with similar socioe…

> That's also when I learned that many people don't want to listen to statistics unless they agree with their own preconceptions.

This has been my experience with bodycam footage, I've found that there's been quite a few heavily protested police involved shootings that when looking over the footage and the facts of the situation, were by the book and completely justified, yet no matter how many times you say to someone "you do know there's footage of the entire event, uncut and unfiltered", it doesn't seem to matter.

EDIT: I just remembered what my throwaway username is.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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I wonder if it is legal / possible to record police radio traffic and associate it with the records?

Depending on the country it can be varying levels of "illegal", in Australia, Police use encrypted radio devices, P{01-99} Listening is not illegal, but recording or redistributing "is illegal", however, it's not clear whether it's actually illegal or it just depends how and when you use it and what you do with it. There was a kid here that brought it up with the police and was harassed over it, I believe he made a website to broadcast it over a web page and was given a stern telling off. Which tbh is fairly valid as it has horrific amounts of PII in it.

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This is important. Locally, we had a sheriff who was being heavily, heavily criticized due to several deaths at the county facility. This was at the height of the protests a few years ago. It was a lot of work to find data on policing nationwide, because the question really was "Is the sheriff doing a bad job, or do bad things happen sometimes?" After some hard work trying to identify other cities with similar socioe…

It's the same sort of thing with body cameras. If anything they capture a lot more context about situations. Generally I think the police will start to want to have the safety of the record keeping rather than not.

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Floating the idea of having a DAO governance system =/= "crypto grift." It's a legitimate way of trying to ensure that control of a distributed system remains distributed. It doesn't even sound like they've pursued the idea. You can, in theory, have a non-profit DAO. Recently there has been an unreasonable amount of hostility towards anything that even mentions crypto or any related technology. I wonder what the sour…

a vast number of people converting to marxism. (not me)

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Apologies for my ignorance but how is this going to police the police? I read the original blog post, there was lots of inferences/could and might be's/etc made but little in the way of proof of anything. What's to stop the police saying it was just circumstance that provided your results? I'm not here defending the police, or denigrating the project, just playing devils advocate. What happens if the police just igno…

Assuming the data is accurate it can be used to show disparities between groups for a variety of situations - traffic stops, arrests, jail vs. diversion programs, charge stacking, etc..

Depends on what the data shows. For instance, nobody ever wants to talk about why 95% of those killed in police shootings are males. It's far more disproportionate than any of the race based numbers that make headlines daily, and yet..nothing.

This seems to indicate the data will always and only be used to tell a preferred narrative.

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Could you please avoid flamewar comments on HN and, also, please make sure you aren't using this site primarily for political or ideological battle? That's one line at which we ban accounts ( https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... ). Regardless of what they're battling for or against, it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.y…

Sure. This comment was pretty snark, that's fair.

Though I come from an uncommon political background and that colors how I interface with and view technology, I do generally feel I've approached the site from a place of genuine, calm, and engaged discourse on the whole.

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