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Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

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“Santa Clause” would translate to “holy clause”. There might be such a thing but I think you meant Santa Claus :)

I thought "santa" meant "saint"?

> I thought "santa" meant "saint"?

Well, santa is a Spanish word meaning "holy" and saint is a cognate French word meaning the same thing. They descend from Latin sanctus; compare sanctify.

When the prayer goes "holy Mary, mother of god", "holy Mary" is an exact equivalent of "santa María".

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#102
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Honestly it probably deserves the Pluto treatment: decertification as a character. One historical use in the 1400s doesn't merit a character and never did.

idk. when the word Planet was redefined such that Pluto was no longer a planet, it kind of ruined the word Planet. It suddenly wasn’t nearly as useful as a word as it used to (even though now it has a precise meaning). For most people that use the word, it won’t matter (and is actually rather exciting) that they keep discovering new planets in our solar system. If they’d treat the word characters the same way, it wou…

This is temporary though, soon people will look at you funny if you say that Pluto is a planet - and/or they might not even have heardof it (though of course that is still worth learning about in an History of Science context).

We do NOT keep discovering new planets, rather minor planets (I agree that the term is confusing), more than a million of them discovered in the Solar System now, like the 9007 James Bond.

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#103
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What's the criterion that includes the document in the tweet, but excludes the document referenced by the GP?

https://www.unicode.org/pending/proposals.html https://www.unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#selection_facto...

I don't see any anything on the inclusion of symbols that are not icons, such as U+A66E, or the symbol proposed by bityard.

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#104
post #4

By the same reasoning, the 7-eyed O has now been used more than once, so it deserves a glyph! So the right way to do this is to introduce a new character for the correct glyph, and also leave the current one (perhaps changing the title). Otherwise these tweets won't make when read by someone that updated to Unicode 15.0

Uff. I'm not sure we have space for another glyph in Unicode. Looks pretty packed in here...

UTF-8 is still more than 80% empty, and can be potentially extended...

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#106

This kind of stupid thing is my problem with Unicode. We have all this baggage for stuff that nobody uses , and we need to deal with it forever. The worst for me is the way there is no possible way to encode a grapheme cluster as a constant size, so using Unicode make it impossible to have simple character access like an old style c string, no matter how big you make your char, even though it's totally possible with…

I'm getting the impression that this is only "obvious" from a latin-cyrillic-greek alphabet point of view ?

P.S.: Also, even for those, it would seem that one of the big reasons for things like combining characters was added to Unicode in order to be backwards compatible even with mutually incompatible encodings ?

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#107
post #30

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Honestly it probably deserves the Pluto treatment: decertification as a character. One historical use in the 1400s doesn't merit a character and never did.

Unicode's mission is to make every document "roundtrip-able". Even if a character is only used once, it should be possible to save a plaintext version of the containing document without losing any information. Roughly, I should be able to put a transcription of that one translation from the 1400s on Wikisource without using images. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but it doesn't change Unicode's mission. Be…

For as inclusive as that mission is, it seems weird to me how limited in certain areas unicode is. For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one for butt, eggplant since there's no penis, etc.

This doesn't contradict the stated goal exactly, but it seems against the spirit of it at least.

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#108

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Unicode's mission is to make every document "roundtrip-able". Even if a character is only used once, it should be possible to save a plaintext version of the containing document without losing any information. Roughly, I should be able to put a transcription of that one translation from the 1400s on Wikisource without using images. You may disagree with me, and that's fine, but it doesn't change Unicode's mission. Be…

For as inclusive as that mission is, it seems weird to me how limited in certain areas unicode is. For instance, people use peach emoji since there isn't one for butt, eggplant since there's no penis, etc. This doesn't contradict the stated goal exactly, but it seems against the spirit of it at least.

One could argue that emoji should have never been added to Unicode in the first place. Peaches and butts are images, pictures, illustrations, whatever - but they are not characters. There's no writing system which has a colored drawing of a peach as a character.

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

#109
post #75

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I thought "santa" meant "saint"?

“Santa” means “female saint” in Italian and Spanish. Perhaps the English “santa” came from another language but I always found the name “Santa Claus” just horrible.

The name Santa Claus evolved from Nick's Dutch nickname, Sinter Klaas, a shortened form of Sint Nikolaas (Dutch for Saint Nicholas)

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/christmas/santa-claus#si...

Re: Unicode character “ꙮ” (U+A66E) is being updated

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idk. when the word Planet was redefined such that Pluto was no longer a planet, it kind of ruined the word Planet. It suddenly wasn’t nearly as useful as a word as it used to (even though now it has a precise meaning). For most people that use the word, it won’t matter (and is actually rather exciting) that they keep discovering new planets in our solar system. If they’d treat the word characters the same way, it wou…

This is temporary though, soon people will look at you funny if you say that Pluto is a planet - and/or they might not even have heardof it (though of course that is still worth learning about in an History of Science context). We do NOT keep discovering new planets, rather minor planets (I agree that the term is confusing), more than a million of them discovered in the Solar System now, like the 9007 James Bond.

It could go either way, it is not always that the scientific meaning wins out, especially not when even scientists don’t find the new definition useful.

When I think of a planet, I think of a world that has active geology that isn’t a moon (I know excluding moons is arbitrary, and perhaps I shouldn’t do that; but hey, that’s language for you). I honestly don’t care about the orbit, and I bet that when most people think about planets they aren’t thinking about the orbit either, let alone whether the planet has cleared the orbit or not. I doubt that will change.

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