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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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I damage my phone every couple of years. So it happens, but not frequently enough to warrant AC+.

That doesn't mean that everyone has the same experience as you, though. All it takes is for you to damage your device 1 more time than usual for it to be worth it.

It’s exactly my point that everyone has to make their own decision based on their risk profile. It’s far from a clear case that AC+ always makes sense.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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If you give your phone to an adversary with large amounts of resources it is game over. If you have to worry about that I most certainly would hope that you wouldn't leave your phone to a repair-shop.

Everyone keeps parroting this like it's 1995 but infinite resources doesn't really help you. In the US FBI case they happened to chain a few now patched exploits in the lightning port that did nothing except allow them the ability to brute force the password. Had the password been strong it would have been game over. Regular, run of the mill encryption you can download at every corner store can withstand attacks from…

well, depending on the adversary, the resources required could be trivial.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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That doesn't mean that everyone has the same experience as you, though. All it takes is for you to damage your device 1 more time than usual for it to be worth it.

It’s exactly my point that everyone has to make their own decision based on their risk profile. It’s far from a clear case that AC+ always makes sense.

Then, in that case, I agree. I just felt like you were downplaying the number of people that actually do benefit from it and would benefit more with the recent change.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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If Apple allows super easy salvage of another device for parts, I wonder if phones will start to be stolen again. Easy salvage might create an unacceptably wide-spread life-safety risk to ALL smartphone owners. Tradeoffs, unintended consequences.

Life-safety? Seriously? It's gun control and law enforcement problem, not the one of easy salvaging. Y'know, it's hard to imagine that someone in Europe or most of the Asia would be robbing at gunpoint for the smartphone. Risk/reward just does not match - it'll be most likely few years or even probation for simple robbery with good ol' bats, and tens of years for robbing at gunpoint, a good part of it from illegal fi…

>Life-safety? Seriously? It's gun control and law enforcement problem, not the one of easy salvaging. Y'know, it's hard to imagine that someone in Europe or most of the Asia would be robbing at gunpoint for the smartphone.

Yeah, instead you’d be robbed at knifepoint. And if not at knifepoint, then by using any serious of improvised weapons.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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You're conflating multiple issues. Having the right to repair is valuable and desirable, even if it's not actually easy to do the repair. I think we've gone too far down the road of not owning anything we buy, and thus having no rights to use things outside of narrow legal agreements nobody even reads. Making the device easier to repair is also desirable, both for Apple and for third parties, because these things bre…

> right to repair is valuable and desirable, even if it's not actually easy to do the repair Huh? If the act of repairing is difficult (and extremely, in Apple’s case), then do you actually have the right, or is it only a right on paper? Is Right to Repair nothing more than printing out manuals no matter how difficult the process of repair itself is?

No, it's an important distinction. Right to repair is more about a company a) not being legally entitled to punish you for repairing yourself , and b) not making design or manufacturing choices specifically to make it harder (e.g. sealing a component against water ingress may make it harder to repair but is an acceptable trade off, sealing it just to make it hard to repair isn't).

The nature of the device itself may make for difficult repairs, but that's a different issue.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

Rooting even those easily fixable Android, with unlocked bootloader and coming with Android One still voids the warranty and might break cameras. Unlocking more potential of a software, breaks hardware.

Apple is preparing to legislative changes in EU that hardware must be repairable. This law is already a reality in France https://www.ecr-community.org/implementing-the-reparability-...

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Well I mean it also cuts down on their repair costs quite substantially. Repairing anything but the front screen has been a nightmare since the iPhone 8

Not if I am forced to buy the parts from Apple or they stop providing it. The real goal behind this anti-repair feature is to prevent users from sourcing parts from elsewhere and using it to repair their device. If Apple decides to support a device for only 5 years, you will no longer be able to repair your device once Apple stops distributing the parts. This anti-repair feature prevents you from using other compatib…

>The real goal

Rather bold of you to assume that you understand the motivations behind any of the decisions within the Apple organization.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

> interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness.

I think one problem is not being discussed enough is iPhones being stolen for parts (since in most cases they can't be reactivated). I strongly suspect inability to simply switch parts without remote authorisation is Apple's way to address the problem.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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> Forget satellite SOS and the larger camera, the headline is this: Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair. HN:

There’s another comment already moving the goalposts: “sure it’s more repairable now but what about the closed software????”.

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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>Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair HN: Easier for who? Quote from the video: "We're hearing reports of Apple continuing on the hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. Why in the world would you need permission to install a sheet of glass?! Using software to prevent the replacement of components with…

> why can't phone makers make phones with a mid frame that allow both sides to be easily swapped out,

Midframe based based construction was standard for most premium smartphones 2010-2015, after that two piece construction, and "bathtub" took over for economic reasons, and because of MBA people wanting to parrot Apple's engineering in everything.

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