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Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by r00fus »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

> I’m not sure I care much about repairability.

I think for me repairability comes down to: how long do you think this phone is supposed to be usable? Even if you don't own it (have gifted or sold it). Probably an ecological argument there.

Primarily, given there is no up-to-date free/opensource phone OS (not to mention baseband software updates) after Apple iOS support ends... the phone can realistically only last till then unless you want to use legacy software (I have one relative who has such a device - but I'd not want one myself).

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

actionablefiber wrote: post #56
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #23

I’m not sure I care much about repairability. For me, makers should have the freedom to design products as they wish. I don’t think that phones and laptops would be as light and portable as iPhones and Macs are if Apple was inhibited by the Right to Repair movement from arranging internal components in such a jampacked way. I also think that makers should have the freedom to design computers whose software tightly in…

There are substantial externalities to commercializing products that cannot be repaired. Fantastic amounts of non-biodegradable waste, overconsumption of nonrenewable material resources, and of course financial loss to consumers and opportunity cost to the secondary market. "Just choose not to buy the product" is only sensible if choosing not to buy the product fully insulates you from the effects of its existence. R…

Couldn’t recyclability and repairability be mutually independent, though? It sounds possible to me that a product that is not highly repairable could still be highly recyclable just because its shattered parts can still be reprocessed into new products.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by vishnugupta »

jitl wrote: post #9

Apple started offering home repair kits for iPhone this year, but they’re super difficult to use: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/technology/personaltech/a... There’s speculation that offering the kits is an attempt to head off right-to-repair legislation. But seeing this redesign, I wonder to what degree the repair program is incentivizing repairability within apple’s corporate structure. Now that “profit/loss pe…

> but they’re super difficult to use

That dude is looking for problem when there's none. He starts off the article with this

> For people like me who have little experience repairing electronics, the self-repair setup was so intimidating that I nearly wussed out.

Did he expect Ikea like instruction manual to repair an advanced consumer electronic gadgets? That kit is clearly meant for professional (or at the very least hobbyists) repairers who clearly have experience, and know what they are doing.

To be fair he does call out Apple's recommendation and that this repair kit is better used by experts. I also feel that faced with increased regulation and public scrutiny Apple threw the entire kitchen sink as a cruel joke. I mean that 75pound repair equipment requiring $1200 hold on a card should is a big signal to retail users "do not even dream of attempting repair"

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#104

Post by selykg »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #95

>Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair HN: Easier for who? Quote from the video: "We're hearing reports of Apple continuing on the hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. Why in the world would you need permission to install a sheet of glass?! Using software to prevent the replacement of components with…

Sort of. You can still buy replacement parts from Apple as part of the repair program. This would, in theory, make repairing the iPhone 14 a lot easier than it has been in the past.

No, this still doesn't mean you can go get the cheapest replacement option you can on Alibaba but the repair is STILL easier, even if you still have to buy from Apple. For certain replacement parts I can see this being important, like anything involved in Face ID or Touch ID.

Credit where credit is due, let's hope it continues in the right direction.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#105

Post by pb7 »

phpisthebest wrote: post #86
buildbot wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly. To have a more secure device this is one of the trade offs. Can you imagine the articles if you could swap out faceID systems to unlock an encrypted iphone?

Quoted post unavailable.

You are at liberty to buy other products and leave these to those who are happy about the security considerations.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

#106

Post by makeitdouble »

spideymans wrote: post #76
tomxor wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple thinks third-party app stores are just malware Apple is greedy not stupid. They don't want third party app stores because it would cause competition and interfere with their almost entirely vertically integrated consumer milking machine... they don't care about malware, they care about control, controlling the user, to make sure they spend as much money as possible with Apple. Notice that they have been incre…

I can assure you there are plenty of people within the Apple organization that genuinely care about security and privacy. And if Apple happens to profit due to those efforts, all the better. Not everything is some evil nefarious ploy.

There’s also very nice people working for Oracle. That doesn’t really reflect on how decisions are taken and what priorities are set at the higher level.

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ScoobleDoodle »

phpisthebest wrote: post #86
buildbot wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly. To have a more secure device this is one of the trade offs. Can you imagine the articles if you could swap out faceID systems to unlock an encrypted iphone?

Quoted post unavailable.

I do like both security and freedom. How do we get both in this scenario?

Have the iOS device ask the user for permission to allow unverified hardware to work? Also have a periodic reminder that unverified hardware is installed and the possible consequences?

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by rasz »

buildbot wrote: post #37
SayMyName wrote: post #8

Odd article considering everything is still software locked to the phone. Sure it's easier to repair, but if you get your parts from anywhere else than apple's program directly, a lot of features will stop working. Hugh Jeffreys made a video interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's and it disabled a lot of things including auto-brightness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8

Good! I want to know that even a used and repaired iPhone has genuine parts in it

>interchanging parts on two brand new iphone's

Re: Apple’s iPhone 14 Redesign for Repair

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

selykg wrote: post #104
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #95

>Apple has completely redesigned the internals of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair HN: Easier for who? Quote from the video: "We're hearing reports of Apple continuing on the hostile path of pairing parts to the phone, requiring activation of the back glass after installation. Why in the world would you need permission to install a sheet of glass?! Using software to prevent the replacement of components with…

Sort of. You can still buy replacement parts from Apple as part of the repair program. This would, in theory, make repairing the iPhone 14 a lot easier than it has been in the past. No, this still doesn't mean you can go get the cheapest replacement option you can on Alibaba but the repair is STILL easier, even if you still have to buy from Apple. For certain replacement parts I can see this being important, like any…

>For certain replacement parts I can see this being important, like anything involved in Face ID or Touch ID.

Those are secure elements. The back glass is not a secure element. That's just vendor lock-in malice for the sake of profiteering.

Edit: Since I can reply to your comments below, your argument fails flat because:

1) SW lock-outs also apply to genuine apple parts, not just aftermarket ones

2) If the user's ability to verify the originality of the parts installed in their phone was the real reason, they Apple could just have a prompt for the user that the new part is not genuine instead of completely locking it out.

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