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An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP was talking about how ssh has the -X and -Y flags for forwarding X, but you need to do something like -L XXXX:localhost:YYYY to ssh forward. TigerVNC (and some others) will do e.g. "-via foo@bar :1" which GP might not know, but is rather convenient. Xpra is still a better replacement for -X when launching a single application though.

Yes, that's what I meant, and thanks, those are interesting points. My main use case is launching one-off visualization tools on a remote system that I'm ssh'd to anyway. ssh -X is hard to beat in terms of convenience for that use case, and e.g. a persistence setup would be overkill.

From the linked waypipe page the usage is:

    waypipe ssh @ 
That will call ssh with the correct parameters on both sides and start the app. Seems just about perfect for what people want out of a remote solution that's not a full desktop.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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I recently tried switching to Linux with a few different distro's (Ubuntu, Elementary OS, etc.) and use Wayland. The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me, and which I've been unable to solve, is that apparently it's not possible to configure trackpad scroll speed. At all. From what I was able to gather, Wayland/libinput say they shouldn't be responsible for handling it and instead window managers should[0][1…

Use the scroll-factor setting of libinput-config[0] to configure this on DEs that do not provide their own tool (i.e., GNOME).

[0] https://gitlab.com/warningnonpotablewater/libinput-config

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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I am one of those people that has been watching Valve's support of Proton and Steamdeck, and already familiar with Ubuntu for development... and now considering leaving Windows behind for good. So far my experience with both development and gaming is good, however I find that in order to control the NVIDIA GPU (a GTX 1080) - I need software like GWE to set the power limit, and fan curve... and for whatever reason the…

I left windows behind when my preview program instance was upgraded to windows 11. I loathed the advertising that was encroaching into what felt like every aspect of the GUI.

I moved to Fedora and haven't looked back. This coincided with me no longer playing a lot of PC/Windows games, so I haven't missed many of them, and there's a great many that work great in Steam/Proton.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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I probably won't care about Wayland till it has full parity with X11.

And that includes global keylogging and screenshotting. Obviously some kind of security mechanism would be needed so not just any program can do it, since that seems to be the point of Wayland, but I'm not a fan of just killing use cases and creating a mess of incompatible servers and optional features.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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post #112
post #89

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> Wayland is not GNOME, what you describe is not Wayland problem, but GNOME problem. Which in turn is the biggest problem with wayland. We are fragmenting the ecosystem with every window manager dealing with shared problems in their own custom way, because wayland only takes responsibility for a tiny fraction of the common things that every window manager does.

Maybe we should put a layer on top of wayland with all of the common stuff that DE uses funneled into common APIs. Like, all the eXtras DM needs We could call it X-Wayland

You mean something like wlroots ?

Sway made it initially but others are using it too. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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I stopped reading at the suggestion that ydotool "provides xdotool functionality in a more generic way". Seems like author uses "x11 apologist" epithet just for the sake of catchy article title without recognizing any areas where wayland lacks basic functionality.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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post #7

I recently tried switching to Linux with a few different distro's (Ubuntu, Elementary OS, etc.) and use Wayland. The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me, and which I've been unable to solve, is that apparently it's not possible to configure trackpad scroll speed. At all. From what I was able to gather, Wayland/libinput say they shouldn't be responsible for handling it and instead window managers should[0][1…

But you can though - https://i.imgur.com/YFiG2kx.png

That's mouse speed not scroll speed.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Ah yes. Issues you don't have don't exist. Especially, with super consistent, trivial, uniform system components like graphics drivers, display servers, and compositors on linux. Famously stable, reliable, and uncomplicated.

NVIDIA: Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}" Intel, AMD and X.org modeset driver: Option "TearFree" "On" You can even enable it at runtime: $ xrandr --output $output --set TearFree on Nouveau: No bloody idea, nouveau is broken. Sorry to break it to you or you're either using NVIDIA binary drivers or buy a different GPU. The issue does not exist. P…

Didn't help:

  (WW) modeset(0): Option "TearFree" is not used

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes. Issues you don't have don't exist. Especially, with super consistent, trivial, uniform system components like graphics drivers, display servers, and compositors on linux. Famously stable, reliable, and uncomplicated.

NVIDIA: Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}" Intel, AMD and X.org modeset driver: Option "TearFree" "On" You can even enable it at runtime: $ xrandr --output $output --set TearFree on Nouveau: No bloody idea, nouveau is broken. Sorry to break it to you or you're either using NVIDIA binary drivers or buy a different GPU. The issue does not exist. P…

Those settings cause absolutely terrible latency and stutter on my system.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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post #7

I recently tried switching to Linux with a few different distro's (Ubuntu, Elementary OS, etc.) and use Wayland. The thing that sticks out like a sore thumb to me, and which I've been unable to solve, is that apparently it's not possible to configure trackpad scroll speed. At all. From what I was able to gather, Wayland/libinput say they shouldn't be responsible for handling it and instead window managers should[0][1…

Here's me, 3 years ago, complaining about the exact same bug: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21248799 pretty sad to see that absolutely nothing has changed.

Nothing says Linux like maintainers of a fragmented ecosystem pointing at each other saying it's not up to them to fix something.
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