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An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

I am one of those people that has been watching Valve's support of Proton and Steamdeck, and already familiar with Ubuntu for development... and now considering leaving Windows behind for good.

So far my experience with both development and gaming is good, however I find that in order to control the NVIDIA GPU (a GTX 1080) - I need software like GWE to set the power limit, and fan curve... and for whatever reason these do not work in Wayland.

I wish I could use Wayland though - I did notice the desktop feels smoother.

Can we switch now? Are there forks of GWE for Wayland? Or do we still need to wait months/years until these tools show up?

PS: if I upgraded my GTX 1080 to an AMD card, would I have apps to control power limit / fans on Wayland?

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by Rediscover »

nikau wrote: post #78
bayindirh wrote: post #41

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I don't know whether you used Remote X, but I used it in a project, and it's extremely inefficient, esp. in thin client applications, and if you try to carry anything like a video, a 100mbps connection could easily be saturated by one pair of X server and client. In other words, it doesn't work in any way unless you have a gigabit LAN. NoMachine developed a couple of libraries called NX back in the day, which transfe…

A long time ago I used a Citrix xserver that translated everything to ica, it was very fast and hid the latency well even over an isdn connection.

By any chance, was that at Boeing?

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

What tool could you use in Wayland to move and resize windows around, but custom? Sort of like a simple autohotkey script?

I don't like tiling apps. But I'd like something where I can press a key to have my current app window moved to exactly where I want it x1, y1, x2, y2, and then that way I can stack all of them in the center of my screen. It helps me focus.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by karma_fountain »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #311

I am one of those people that has been watching Valve's support of Proton and Steamdeck, and already familiar with Ubuntu for development... and now considering leaving Windows behind for good. So far my experience with both development and gaming is good, however I find that in order to control the NVIDIA GPU (a GTX 1080) - I need software like GWE to set the power limit, and fan curve... and for whatever reason the…

I have a GTX 970 and the Wayland experience was full of stuttering and glitchy windows. Had to install x11.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by Amezarak »

msla wrote: post #122
amelius wrote: post #63

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Very much this. Running the X11 protocol over the network is usually not a good idea anymore. By the way, does anyone know of a VNC-like solution that can use MPEG compression? Also, VNC could be better if it could increase the quality of parts of the screen once they stop updating. E.g. in TigerVNC setting a low bitrate doesn't improve the quality of text once the text stops changing.

> Running the X11 protocol over the network is usually not a good idea anymore. It works well, though, and I'm not really interested in hearing that my own experience with it working well is a lie or some trick. Wayland gives up some things, and pretending that those things have no value isn't going to convince those of us who know they do. Also, those of us who use non-mainstream window managers (such as Window Make…

Yes, I see this come up again and again. Meanwhile, I use X11 over the network every day with Firefox, GIMP, various custom apps, and a zillion other things. And it works fine, and great, and VNC isn't an option for most of it for me.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by Ridir »

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #311

I am one of those people that has been watching Valve's support of Proton and Steamdeck, and already familiar with Ubuntu for development... and now considering leaving Windows behind for good. So far my experience with both development and gaming is good, however I find that in order to control the NVIDIA GPU (a GTX 1080) - I need software like GWE to set the power limit, and fan curve... and for whatever reason the…

Experiences vary. Without having to do any extra hacks Wayland has run flawlessly on my ancient GTX660Ti for years.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by wazoox »

giantdude wrote: post #8

From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland "The X11 protocol was designed around running graphical apps across the network. While some people use this feature, it's far from common. Wayland drops this requirement as a way to greatly simplify its architecture." X client and server are usually the same machine, but they don't have to be. While on the road, you can use your notebook to open a Gimp session on your home machine…

I use X11 remotely daily (and did so for 25 years). It comes for free with a simple ssh login and doesn't require setting up any server on the remote machine. It just works (even if slowly at times). It beats setting up x2go/VNC/etc hands down.

Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by [deleted] »

aidenn0 wrote: post #76
seba_dos1 wrote: post #54

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Wayland forwarding has been there for years now: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe Is it seamless enough for what you had in mind?

I think GP was talking about how ssh has the -X and -Y flags for forwarding X, but you need to do something like -L XXXX:localhost:YYYY to ssh forward. TigerVNC (and some others) will do e.g. "-via foo@bar :1" which GP might not know, but is rather convenient. Xpra is still a better replacement for -X when launching a single application though.

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Re: An X11 apologist tries Wayland

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Post by kwhitefoot »

xani_ wrote: post #279
ColonelPhantom wrote: post #162

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XWayland already exists and is the name for X.org running on Wayland, to enable X11 apps to run on Wayland desktops. You may be interested to learn about wl-roots though. It's a project that I think originated from sway, and it aims to provide most of the low-level plumbing for writing your own Wayland window manager/desktop environment.

I know, twas a joke

But others, less well informed than you, probably don't know about XWayland so the response is quite helpful.
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