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Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

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Post by ljf »

laundermaf wrote: post #177
thro388 wrote: post #169

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You could propably return it as defective. At least in EU there is a regulation about maximal standby power usage.

How would you even go about this though? What store will accept a return “because it consumes too much power when off?” They most likely don’t even have tools available to verify the claim. Even if you ship it to Sony, when will you see your refund?

Yes, if you took it to the store you bought it from either with a print off of the relevant parts of thst thread, or my smart plugs also show power consumption, I could screen shot that and take it in.

I honestly don't think you'd have an issue at all doing that in the UK at any of the main highstreet electronic stores, or somewhere like John Lewis.

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Post by yumraj »

crazysim wrote: post #96
blinkingled wrote: post #18

I have a 2020 model I bought from Costco and as slow and shitty the UI is it also still burns 16W in standby. There isn't a way to disable Chromecast either so thanks for nothing Sony and Google. I need a dumb tv and Nvidia sheild. Edit: I take the standby power usage part back. After settings changes including Eco stuff and something to do with remote start and a restart it's at 4W which is very acceptable. The UI i…

There’s a dumb tv or pro mode on Sony tvs. Never used it though.

Wow, never knew about that.

I have manually disabled most services on the TV manually, so not sure what extra it buys, since I do use some in-built apps for streaming as opposed to using the Nvidia shield, but it's good to know it exists.

Re: Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast

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Post by rane »

gempir wrote: post #185

I own a Sony A80J and this is also what I was measuring. I'm thankful I did measure this before just blindly turning the feature on. I have a Bose Soundbar also with Chromecast and that one doesn't suck down 25W+ while on standby and can thankfully turn on the TV via HDMI CEC. Sadly the whole OS experience is shitty on the TV. It's 2500€+ TV and the UI is sluggish, Tv takes at least 5-10 Seconds to turn on each time…

Where did you find the option to disable Chromecast on A80J?

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Post by Markoff »

eisa01 wrote: post #2

This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications This would cost more than 50 EUR per year at current prices, and is sizeable compared to the average German citizens consumption of 1500 kWh electricity Let's just say this is not ideal given the current energy shortage in Europe...

> This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications

Assumming you never use TV (if I calculated correctly it's 219kWh for 24/7/365 standby 25W waste). Many people have switched on TV for 3-10 hours per day, heck I don't watch that much TV and I have it switched from 8-11 PM plus my kids around one hour a day. I'm sure my retired mother would easily do 8-10 hours per day.

Also I mean if you are bothered with it just unplug TV or switch off the socket.

My whole household yearly consumption including AC (26C) is ~1200 kWh.

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Post by gempir »

rane wrote: post #193
gempir wrote: post #185

I own a Sony A80J and this is also what I was measuring. I'm thankful I did measure this before just blindly turning the feature on. I have a Bose Soundbar also with Chromecast and that one doesn't suck down 25W+ while on standby and can thankfully turn on the TV via HDMI CEC. Sadly the whole OS experience is shitty on the TV. It's 2500€+ TV and the UI is sluggish, Tv takes at least 5-10 Seconds to turn on each time…

Where did you find the option to disable Chromecast on A80J?

I don't remember exactly but it isn't exactly named something related to Chromecast.

It was something about Waking the TV.

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Post by maccard »

MandieD wrote: post #118
maccard wrote: post #82

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Right. I'm in Scotland and its closer to £175/year than €50

Wow, that’s worse than anything I’ve heard about around here (northern Bavaria). Power strips with switches are a sound economy move, in either situation.

Yeah, energy costs are just shy of 4x what they were for us last summer. All the sockets in our house have switches on the wall to isolate them. The real trick is just knowing which ones are worth turning off!

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Post by brnt »

sokoloff wrote: post #156
zbrozek wrote: post #76

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In the PG&E service territory in California, that base load will run you about $5500 annually. That's more than the property tax on my townhouse.

You guys are over $0.60/kWh?! That’s 3x what we’re paying in MA (known for “not cheap” electricity). That would make an EV much less attractive as well.

Had a contract this summer where a kWh was about €0,80.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

a1369209993 wrote: post #174
throwawaylinux wrote: post #153

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> The thermal mass of the air is tiny > Chest freezers have better [...] door seals Hmm. Is it outlandish to think that a modern standing freezer with working seals will let less air out the seals than is exchanged by opening the door even a couple of times a week? Modern standing freezers are starting to get drawers with sides in them now, presumably for reducing air loss while it's open. And seals are practically a…

> a modern standing freezer with working seals will let less air out the seals than is exchanged by opening the door I think the idea is that the seals can conduct heat , and do so much better than whatever abitrarily-sophisticated thermal isolation is in the walls of the freezer, not that the airflow through the seals is carrying any significant amount of heat.

The chest freezers I've seen have very similar seals to standing freezers, are you saying they're significantly better?

In ether case modern doors build out an insulating section around the seal, and the seal itself creates a second seal against that so it's air gapped inside the freezer as well. The seal itself of course is a hollow tube which is somewhat of an air gap with the outside too. They're pretty good, I would be surprised for their small surface area if they caused a huge conductive loss.

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Post by a1369209993 »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #198
a1369209993 wrote: post #174

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> a modern standing freezer with working seals will let less air out the seals than is exchanged by opening the door I think the idea is that the seals can conduct heat , and do so much better than whatever abitrarily-sophisticated thermal isolation is in the walls of the freezer, not that the airflow through the seals is carrying any significant amount of heat.

The chest freezers I've seen have very similar seals to standing freezers, are you saying they're significantly better? In ether case modern doors build out an insulating section around the seal, and the seal itself creates a second seal against that so it's air gapped inside the freezer as well. The seal itself of course is a hollow tube which is somewhat of an air gap with the outside too. They're pretty good, I wo…

> are you saying they're significantly better?

closewith (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32890571) is saying that:

> Chest freezers have better insulation and door seals

I'm not claiming anything either way, just pointing out that the seals are for sealing heat, not (primarily) air.

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Post by yurishimo »

kstenerud wrote: post #189
yurishimo wrote: post #168

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Can you link the model you purchased? I’m in the market for a new TV and Philips is literally in my backyard.

Philips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the…

Ooof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer.

While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me.

Thanks!

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