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an approach, but most things we consider racism from the 1960s and before had an economic rationale or a social rationale, many of the people who normalized it at the time also didn't feel actual disdain in their hearts and yet we now call many of those things racist and have modified

so its just not an excuse

Re: PhD gets 5x increase in postdoc interview invitations by just changing his name

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Pretty wildly different rate. I tend not to believe science reporter in three tweets though. Would like to see methods and peer review.

The method is in the tweet and we're peer reviewing the tweet right now.

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Which is a bit ignorant, don't you think?

This concern should have been addressed, if it really materially affects performance on the team, and this is a big IF, in the dreaded cultural fit part of the interview and not like that where they openly discriminate against him because of his religious background.

Re: PhD gets 5x increase in postdoc interview invitations by just changing his name

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There was a similar post a few days ago where someone did this but instead of changing their name they changed their gender (female names got significantly more responses). That post got flagged and this post is in the frontpage. Interesting.

I haven't flagged either that post or this one, but I understand why people do. Both present useless anecdotes that tell us nothing about whether or not a systemic problem exists.

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I’ve had coworkers with Muslim-sounding names before and casual work conversation was about the same. It’s not like we usually sit around discussing religious doctrine.

Not all Muslims are religious nutjobs either.

Re: PhD gets 5x increase in postdoc interview invitations by just changing his name

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He only changed his name, not his education history. Please don't try to justify discrimination based on color or national origin. It is, in fact, against the law.

>not his education history. Provided that someone has actually read his educational history. It's more likely the reading has stopped at "From: Muhammad Abdullah". And I'm trying to find the likeliest explanation of the phenomenon other than the 'omnipresent racism' theory. Please don't accuse people of thought crimes without a sufficient basis.

WTF dude. Stop digging.

> It's more likely the reading has stopped at "From: Muhammad Abdullah"

That's called racism.

> Please don't accuse people of thought crimes without a sufficient basis.

It's not thought crime. Employment opportunities are being denied. There are specific laws against this.

I hope you never end up being a hiring manager. You are a huge liability to any organization.

Re: PhD gets 5x increase in postdoc interview invitations by just changing his name

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Any chance you can find the link to the dead post? I am curious to see it.

Can't find the hackernews post (probably got removed) but it was a link to this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xcrv6k/i_sent_1...

In general, I do not think flagged posts get removed (I have access to multiple such posts). But they probably are not listed in the search indices, only available with a direct link (e.g. from your comment history if you commented there).

Re: PhD gets 5x increase in postdoc interview invitations by just changing his name

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A good example of unconscious bias.

Western name: 100 samples, 87 responses, 54 positive.

Islamic name: 100 samples, 17 responses, 0 positive.

That's not a "good example of unconscious bias". Unless there's something else going on here (one or both of the names used in the experiment had some sort of reputation in the community already, or some other aspects of the CV were changed in the experiment), this is an absolutely stunning result and evidence of very conscious bigotry. This is a Black person applying for a job in 1920s Atlanta kind of result. In 2022 academia!

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Can't find the hackernews post (probably got removed) but it was a link to this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/xcrv6k/i_sent_1...

In general, I do not think flagged posts get removed (I have access to multiple such posts). But they probably are not listed in the search indices, only available with a direct link (e.g. from your comment history if you commented there).

I didn't comment.
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