Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
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Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
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Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#2I think one of the things to call out is that this is going to take a lot of time. I don't realistically see something like this being just another "get rich quick" CNCF project that pops up and dies out in 24 months.
If we do this "right" it kind of needs to go at the pace of the Kernel, and hold very tightly onto the API scope to protect the project from scope creep.
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#3asking "why?" is a double whammy question, the answer they are looking for is a mix of what (to do) and how to do it, whatever that 'solution' is called.
how to fix this "most-open unit of computing" will depend on "what" do you think this 'unit of compute' even means, which of course depends on who you are and what do you do with 'units of compute' (buy? sell? resell? use up? build? oversee??)
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#4 Lack of Unix philosophy
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Missing rest/gRPC/json API
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#5I think the virtual machine comments are the one area that doesn’t make sense to me. Everything else seems reasonable.
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#6>Now where you lose me is where you start duplicating scheduling, logging, security controls, and process management a cluster level and fragment my systems yet-again.
That is sort of what we're talking about when we talk about unix philosophy. If your daemons for handling all those aren't tightly coupled then it's easier to use the same tools for different tasks.
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#7Doesn't sound like this fixes systemd, unless your problem is that you depend on systemd + kubernetes. That is, I read this as a Redhat/Gnome/Freedesktop problem; I'd love a fix for systemd, but I don't think this one solves my problems.
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#8I find kubernetes - systemd overlap angle as a very valid point. When I first started to learn kubernetes more often than not I was thinking 'hey, we can do that with systemd as well!'
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#9I'm skeptical, and I think systemd gets way more hate than it deserves, but it's interesting to see an alternative from someone outside of the "Make Init Shell Again" crowd.
Re: Why Fix Kubernetes and Systemd?
#10Doesn't sound like this fixes systemd, unless your problem is that you depend on systemd + kubernetes. That is, I read this as a Redhat/Gnome/Freedesktop problem; I'd love a fix for systemd, but I don't think this one solves my problems.
Care to elaborate on your problems? Or maybe a more fundamental question would be -- would you be interested in a project like this solving whatever your particular gripes with systemd might be?