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Post by Jolter »

nick__m wrote: post #127
julianlam wrote: post #21

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One wonders what the judging criteria are for sound mixing at the Academy Awards, since it certainly seems like "legible speech" isn't one of them.

Most production are not made with the passable quality of reproduction that a sound bar provides in mind. Mix are made for a THX compliant setup where the center speaker is responsible for over 50% of the dialog delivery. If you skimp on the center speaker quality and placement, the dialog mix gets muddy quite quickly.

Not to mention that they are mixed for reference volume. If people weren’t concerned about neighbors, sleeping babies or protecting their hearing, I’m sure they would just crank it up and not miss any dialog. Of course, that’s just not possible (or enjoyable on most equipment).

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Post by hef19898 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #368
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #197

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The slurred dialog is obnoxious and a sign of laziness on everyone's part. The miking, the post processing, the overdubbing (if there's any at all - recent film makers don't seem to know that this is a thing). The actor's speech pattern, where they direct their speech while acting, even how they stand and where. The choice of location and additional preparation of the stage so the speech can be picked up clearly. It'…

A little off topic but it’s really surprising how so few of the shows and movies these days give off any vibe of sincerity. From the acting to the writing to the CGI, everything seems to be winking at the audience and trying to tell them that they are all actors and its all make believe. The perfect example is Lord of the Rings vs The Rings of Power. I had no problems believing that Aragorn really lived in Middle Ear…

The majority of Netflix series produced in Europe are actually a pleasant surprise in that regard. When to comes to writing and acting as well as production, and yes, sound mixing.

I consider myself a fantasy and sci-fi nerd, binge read the Lord of The Rings, starting with the Hobbit, between Christmas Eve and when the first movie came out. Read the Simarilion. Loved the LotR triology. Like the Hobbit, ehich already strechted the source material a lot, but in a way that could be justified as a lead up to LotR. I did not manage to dare whatching the Amazon series, and propably never will. Thr LotR films, The Expense and the Star Wars series and first two triologies are the last movie ftanchises I still get immersion and suspenson of disbelieve from, I'm not taking any risks eith LotR.

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Post by rane »

vel0city wrote: post #346
zaroth wrote: post #339

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What a shame though! A decent 5.1 setup should be cheap and easy to setup. Of course that’s far from the truth, but good sound is so worth it! Being able to truly enjoy music, movies, we live in an incredible era for content, video is regularly available in 4K and people can play that! Why is sound stuck so far behind?

> Why is sound stuck so far behind? I know people who have as their primary method of watching movies and TV is on an iPad. Its not that the tech is stuck so far behind, its a matter of priorities. They just don't care to invest the time/space/effort/money into a fancy sound system. Not even always that they couldn't , just that they don't bother doing so. Sure, many could easily afford a fancy sound system. But they…

I upgraded my receiver and TV recently and it was a pleasant surprise that Apple TV remote now switches the receiver on and off automatically so the setup really requires no tech awareness to use.

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Post by izacus »

vel0city wrote: post #291
imgabe wrote: post #284

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Would it not be possible to have multiple audio mixes available and play the one that is appropriate for your setup?

This is the idea of Atmos. They deliver the source with an absurd number of channels. Your local player knows your room and speaker arrangement (from setup tuning ahead of time) and remaps the stupid number of channels into the right playback based on the equipment available. Got 20 speakers all around the room? Cool. Have a 5.1 setup? No problem. Just have the stereo speakers on your TV? Supposedly, no problem. Whet…

Atmos doesn't have channels - it has played tracks with their 3d location encoded to the receiver can convert it into the correct channel setup.

It's fundamentally different from the "static" channel mixes we had before.

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Post by badpun »

adrianN wrote: post #385
zaroth wrote: post #339

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What a shame though! A decent 5.1 setup should be cheap and easy to setup. Of course that’s far from the truth, but good sound is so worth it! Being able to truly enjoy music, movies, we live in an incredible era for content, video is regularly available in 4K and people can play that! Why is sound stuck so far behind?

I watch movies for the story. 480p and my laptop speakers are enough for that. I enjoyed movies just the same when they were 700mb DivX with 128kps mp3 sound.

Yep, same here. Most of the movies which depend on "immersion" are just horrible. It doesn't matter if the dinosaur in "Jurrasic World Dominion" sounds realistic if I already want to quit the movie after seeing the first 10 minutes.

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Post by samatman »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #416
ryandrake wrote: post #217

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> I think I'd rather characters that are truer to life than sound like they're acting on stage, personally. You can have both though. A great example is Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation. He’s never mumbled a line in his life and you can understand everything he says during quiet dialog. You can be true to life, quiet AND understandable.

I do think Stewart's stage training shines through quite a lot. He does dial it back, but his performance is hardly realistic. (I'd also note how important recurring locations are even set up like a stage -- open with a clear unobstructed focus point for action to happen in; the bridge, ten forward and engineering especially notable). On the other hand, I'm not sure what hyper-realism would contribute to something li…

Wow I don't agree at all (haven't seen the latest series, talking about TNG and the movies).

But, if I hadn't seen maybe two episodes, I might have the same impression.

How often do you see Captain (!) Picard out of uniform? The character of Picard-as-officer is constantly on stage, he's the master and commander of an entire starship!

Second most often, we see him on the Holodeck, where he's playing a captain playing an actor playing a role! Of course he chews the scenery there.

But when we see Jean-Luc, the civilian, something changes. All the Royal Shakespeare is invisible, he's an old man who carries a great burden, and has put it down for just a moment.

Patrick Steward is very, very good at what he does.

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Post by Semaphor »

bowsamic wrote: post #476
Semaphor wrote: post #468

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Honestly, I disagree with pretty much everything you said. I don’t feel like I get poor service, trains aren’t designed unfriendly, and we certainly shouldn’t strive to make things less functional for some feeling of kindness. Can’t talk about popular German music, as I don’t listen to that or to other popular music.

Have you spent much times in other countries? I just spent a week in the UK with a German who had culture shock that strangers were actually talking to each other, that waiters called him "sir", and that the trains were so high-tech. Mainly I find that Germans who disagree with these things have not lived in other countries, and those that do immediately agree.

Yeah, you prefer the forced fake-friendlyness of anglo countries, most of us actually do not want that. And yes, I have lived in other countries.

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Post by _dain_ »

bowsamic wrote: post #419
Semaphor wrote: post #372

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> Actors need to go do some stage acting and learn how to e n u n c i a t e and project their voices. Watch some German shows (notably: Not Netflix’s Dark as that was untypical, I mean actually produced for the German market shows). It’s horrible. Everything sounds super fake. Yes, everything is easy to understand, but I (a German) can’t watch anything because nothing sounds real. It’s usually claimed this is because…

I live in Germany and honestly it just seems to me from speaking to Germans that they have the worst mixture of a lack of sense of quality and also an uncaring-ness/sense of futility about it. I think it is kind of like the "poor service at restaurants" thing. It is a negative point that has become accepted and almost expected by Germans, so there is literally no desire to change it, which would take a lot of effort…

>Tangentially, it also reminds me of going back to the UK last week to visit a conference. The trains were just so much different to those in Germany, even the crappy "Stansted Express", those here in Germany feel very utilitarian and unfriendly (particularly the Deutsche Bahn "Bombardier Double-deck Coach") while in the UK similarly priced train services are more explicitly friendly and caring in their design.

The friendliest thing a train can do is bloody show up on time, which National Rail seems to have had a problem with lately.

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