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The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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Much of the conversation in this thread leaves me a bit sad. Depriving a person a social interaction is some of the harshest punishment given in the US prison system. To assert that instagram, or emojis, or VR is devaluing that in some way doesn’t sit right with me. Even a conversation I might view as “worthless” still gives deep insight into that persons inner thought process. And I’m certain I’d rather have worthle…

I can't agree. Except in what I can only imagine are niche communities I have not experienced a "modern" conversation that could match what I would consider social interaction. Certainly you could come up with probably 1,000 counter examples, but from my sample of interactions on discord/instagram/etc (before I got rid of all of it) the vast majority of interactions were parasitic in nature. It was nothing like the forums of yore, pre-eternal-september USENET, etc. There's a reason people are so depressed these days. The social interactions the average terminally online person gets only have a veneer of reality associated to them. You only notice it once you manage to disconnect and compare those interactions to the real world. I've had better conversations with a half cocked patron at a bar than I have had on any given "modern" avenue of communication.

No amount of technology will ever surpass actual human connection until our forebrains permanently melt away. At the end of the day we are constantly trying to "connect better" when the answer is, unironically, to simply go outside.

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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FYI: The article itself is on the top right of the pseudo-PDF that this link renders. After reading it, I thought it was funny to imagine "reading" replace with "Instagram" in the original author's invective. It would be so much fun to live in a world where everyone was constantly reading books everywhere now! But, these days, whenever there's an idle moment, most people reach for their phones and plug in to the near…

I might have been that dude on the bus stop who grabbed his phone. What you might not have realized was that I was writing my master thesis there. And when I was not writing I was reading and annotating sources.

A phone looks like a phone, it is very hard to know what people do on it. They could make a bank transfer, read Aristoteles, look at puppy pictures, read the news, chat to an old friend, ...

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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Reading old newspapers is an intoxicating cocktail. One part smugness of hindsight and one part affinity for the common struggle. My favorite random book purchase was from a multi-generational bookstore in San Francisco. Like many, it had succumbed to the pressures of rising rent and declining interest in musty parchment. In their going-out-of-business clearance pile, I happened upon an oversized binding of newspaper…

My grandmother would swear that Ovaltine would help you sleep. She was from Sheffield.

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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Reading old newspapers is an intoxicating cocktail. One part smugness of hindsight and one part affinity for the common struggle. My favorite random book purchase was from a multi-generational bookstore in San Francisco. Like many, it had succumbed to the pressures of rising rent and declining interest in musty parchment. In their going-out-of-business clearance pile, I happened upon an oversized binding of newspaper…

My grandmother would swear that Ovaltine would help you sleep. She was from Sheffield.

AFAIK Ovomaltine is charged with magnesium, which a muscle relaxant.

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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The article... automatically transcribed using iOS. --- It is high time that some one with authority announced that reading is not the summum bonum of life. The very act of reading is unsocial. It is a kind of melancholy barbarism. If you look The Lost Art of Conversation IT IS high time that some one in authority announced that reading is not the summum bonum of life. The very act of reading is unsocial. It is a kin…

This comment... of the article as TTS https://tinygem.org/listen/?url=https://news.ycombinator.com...

Or as a more readable article with its own page https://www.darkread.io/C3tZZJUGZ-HD

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emojis may be the worst thing to happen to conversation in history. They are the laziest form of communication on earth. It's a reply without having to think of anything to further the conversation.

They are a replacement for non verbal communication such as a head nod, or hand wave, or a smile. Not a way to express a full thought in and of itself.

With a head nod, you're still on the hook for contributing to the conversation.

People mark an emoji and then keep scrolling feeling good about themselves.

Re: The Lost Art of Conversation (1899)

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are a replacement for non verbal communication such as a head nod, or hand wave, or a smile. Not a way to express a full thought in and of itself.

With a head nod, you're still on the hook for contributing to the conversation. People mark an emoji and then keep scrolling feeling good about themselves.

I suppose the context of the conversation matters. I always check who left what emojis to get a feeling of the room, but I'm usually in smaller rooms where I know the people. In a larger discord for example with many strangers, I think your right in an individual level, but as the poster of a comment, it still helps gauge the general temperature of the audience, so too speak, regardless of who is on the hook for continued conversation. Not sure I would notice a head nod if I was speaking in a room to hundreds of people anyways though.

I'm not saying it's superior, but I appreciate the nuance's it can bring to online dialog where otherwise many misinterpretations are likely to happen

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