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Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

I feel the same way, it's strangely mixed. You look at movies that are 30 years old and the music is very quiet or in different bands than speech, very carefully done. You can still hear speech in Jurassic Park or The Matrix. A Marvel Movie? Good luck...

Maybe it's a lost art. I have found that turning off subtitles and forcing myself to get used to their accents does improve my listening comprehension, but it's a much easier choice when you can't otherwise understand it just due to mixing.

I don't know that it helps me focus, if anything I have to focus harder when they're talking so I can hope that their lips will be enough to figure it out. But it does mean that if I'm watching something in a place with roomates I can use a much lower volume and figure out what is going on by combining the text with the low SNR audio I hear.

Listening at a low volume should mean better overall hearing over time too right? My default volume went from like -20dB to -45dB on the same system over the last decade, I think either I'm being polite to roomates or just more careful with my hearing.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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The fact that there's a claimed generational gap here speaks more to the values of the generations re: passive vs active entertainment. I could also ask: "Why do all these 60-Somethings have the TV on as background noise while doing other tasks?" To me it seems closed-caption usage is correlated with actually paying attention to television consumption. People who have their TV on at all hours, as background entertain…

I wish there was a CC mode for “I’m not deaf, I just don’t catch the quiet mumbly dialog sometimes so give me captions only of the dialog.” Bonus if it’s delayed by exactly 2 seconds, so that it doesn’t spoil jokes, and I can quickly reference it if I missed something someone said (helping me avoid fixating on the captions.) Because it’s the CC descriptions of music swells and things like “[laughs] and “[crying]”, et…

> Bonus if it’s delayed by exactly 2 seconds, so that it doesn’t spoil jokes, and I can quickly reference it if I missed something someone said (helping me avoid fixating on the captions.)

This is the exact reason why I vastly prefer playing media on my own media player. I have it set to always delay subtitles by exactly 2 seconds. I even have the font overridden to use a nice geometric sans (Josefin Sans, to be exact); subtitles with bitmap fonts (like they are on DVD and Blu-ray) are disabled outright.

Every time there's a new person watching something with me, they comment on the subtitle delay. It usually starts with a complaint that the subs are off-sync. Never had someone (yet) stick to that complaint though, after this explanation. But, nobody I've met has previously recognised a need for such a delay, either. Until they watch something with me, of course.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#383
For the language learners: There is an extension for Chrome that lets you display captions in two languages simultaneously. You can also lookup every word in the dictionary with a single click.

It used to be called "Language Learning with Netflix" but they rebranded it and I can't remember the new name right now. I'm not affiliated in any way, just a happy user.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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Have you tried night mode? It compresses the dynamic range.

The problem with night mode is that it compresses the dynamic range of the audio which undermines one of the main benefits of having a home theater system. It's a poor compromise for bad audio mixing.

Manually turning the volume up and down is literally compressing the dynamic range; that's the goal here.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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A massive number of people don't have anything other than the speakers included in their TV. The next massive percentage of people maybe have a sound bar, maybe with an included subwoofer. A tiny, minuscule, microscopic percentage of consumers will have an external receiver. Maybe they'll have 5.1 on that. Maybe they'll have 9.2. An extremely small fraction, practically a rounding error, will have higher than that. M…

What a shame though! A decent 5.1 setup should be cheap and easy to setup. Of course that’s far from the truth, but good sound is so worth it! Being able to truly enjoy music, movies, we live in an incredible era for content, video is regularly available in 4K and people can play that! Why is sound stuck so far behind?

I watch movies for the story. 480p and my laptop speakers are enough for that. I enjoyed movies just the same when they were 700mb DivX with 128kps mp3 sound.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

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post #339

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What a shame though! A decent 5.1 setup should be cheap and easy to setup. Of course that’s far from the truth, but good sound is so worth it! Being able to truly enjoy music, movies, we live in an incredible era for content, video is regularly available in 4K and people can play that! Why is sound stuck so far behind?

Well for one I'm not going to run cables everywhere and the other solutions have their faults: wireless satellite lag sound, and still need a power cable; battery operated satellites require constant maintenance.

Yea, unfortunately, my old 5.1 surround system of my bachelor days fails the “wife test.” Currently, to get all the channels the sound mixers give you, you need 6 ugly black boxes with speakers in them spread around your living room and another big black box receiver. And all the speaker wire everywhere. Yuck! Even if you hide the wires in the wall and use ceiling mounted speakers it’s still intrusive and ugly.

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#387

For the language learners: There is an extension for Chrome that lets you display captions in two languages simultaneously. You can also lookup every word in the dictionary with a single click. It used to be called "Language Learning with Netflix" but they rebranded it and I can't remember the new name right now. I'm not affiliated in any way, just a happy user.

It's called "Language Reactor" now.

https://www.languagereactor.com/

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#388
I use captions too, even though I can (usually) hear the TV. There are many reasons for this:

- I think it makes it somewhat easier to understand than audio only, for one thing.

- If you do not know what they said, because you have missed it, possibly due to other noise in the room (telephone, other people speaking, etc).

- Sometimes the speech of the movie is difficult due to e.g. you do not understand the accent of their speech, etc.

- If you want to reduce the volume or mute to not bother other people.

- If you do not know how to spell someone's name, or an obscure word. (Unfortunately, sometimes the caption writers do not know, and do it wrong.)

- In some shows, they will mention the name of a piece of music; this can help in case you do not know. (They do not always do this, though.)

However, there are often problems with them. For example, sometimes the caption writers do not know what they are saying, either. The caption writers should try to make an effort to find out what they are saying (and the proper spelling), by whatever means are appropriate, e.g. referring to the script, asking the people there, watching the show twice to make corrections if necessary, etc. (This might not always be possible, e.g. live shows that are broadcast as they are being filmed rather than being edited later, but they should do it when possible.)

I also sometimes see worthless captions, e.g. "male announcer reads words on screen". I think that is worthless, and should be omitted.

(If you can specify "hidden captions", then it may be useful to encode the text which is already part of the picture, as a hidden caption and then allow it to be displayed in a caption scrollback menu if the TV system you are using has such a menu (I do not know of any that do have it, but it is something that I would think would be good to have).)

A good feature of captions is that you can turn on/off, and can customize fonts/opacity on some receivers (I personally prefer translucent captions). (DVD video only allows on/off (and selection by language, sometimes), although it should also be possible to allow adjusting colours/opacity (since DVD subtitles are encoded as pictures using indexed colours), although font changing will not be possible.)

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#389
In my mid forties and gave up on trying to understand the audio a couple years ago.

Recently bought a sound bar which has helped quite a bit with the audio quality - apparently it's one with emphasis on centre channel so should have better voice output? - but we're still rocking the subtitles.

The big downside is I tend to read them much faster. So I'm often laughing at jokes several seconds before my partner as apparently I read faster than they do!

Re: Why do all these 20-somethings have closed captions turned on?

#390

One more vote for terrible audio mixes and one for actors who mumble their dialog. Whenever I watch movies with my wife, we constantly have to fiddle with the remote control. The loud parts (including explosions and music) are too loud for her, so we have to turn the volume down during those parts, but the dialog is too quiet and mumbly for me to hear, so we turn the volume up during those parts. We now just keep the…

I observed this in The Walking Dead, in the first seasons I could clearly hear the dialogue, but since 4-5 seasons I need subtitles for everything. Zombie noises from 200m away are louder than main characters speaking next to the camera.
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