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The alternative is having the government decide whether or not a private company can block a particular person for a particular reason. Everyone is generally ok with companies blocking content that is irrelevant/off-topic, but there is a very, very large gray area. Do you want the government deciding what is acceptable?
They already are. It came out recently that the FBI leaned on Mark Zuckerberg to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
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#162Hacker News avoids political discussion, would this mean a site like hacker news(assuming it’s big enough) couldn’t moderate heated political discussion as off topic? Im curious how this would apply to Reddit, will there just be constant brigading of the political forums? Ironically as others have pointed out this will probably have a severe chilling effect on speech.
> …banning or censoring users based on "viewpoint,"… There are many offenses that are not strictly viewpoint. Unruly behavior could be one of those.
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#163So I create a bot that spreads my opinions by replying to millions of other Tweets. Anyone who mentions the politician of interest will receive a reply from "me" (my bot) within 2 minutes. Now I will be heard by millions, and my lawyer is ready should I be banned from the entire site.
Now imagine many people doing this, what a cesspool, you make a Tweet and the bot flood gates open. You Tweet about your grandchild and 30 seconds later you have 400 replies expressing "political opinions" about shady websites with cheap Viagra. Twitter can't ban them though. Welcome to truly free speech. You better learn to code if you want to be heard.
We're already at the point where websites can't control bots. AI that can write better than most humans is knocking on the door, and it can run on my personal computer. This law will only make it worse by adding real legal risk to banning suspected bots.
Am I exaggerating here, or is this actually possible? This feels like a loss in the humans vs bots battle more than a political one.
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s political discussion all over hacker news, in the comments.
It is often one sided. As soon as you say something that doesn't fall into line, like against the monarchy, then you get censored.
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#165It's your right to have an opinion, it's my right not to have to listen to it.
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#166Hacker News avoids political discussion, would this mean a site like hacker news(assuming it’s big enough) couldn’t moderate heated political discussion as off topic? Im curious how this would apply to Reddit, will there just be constant brigading of the political forums? Ironically as others have pointed out this will probably have a severe chilling effect on speech.
Yet look what we're doing right now.
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#167I think they could instead limit the possible exposure by building tiers/gates a post has to move through to truly go to a mass audience. First it would start with a mass audience of 10^1, mostly direct connections. If no keywords were triggered for misinformation, and none of the eyeballs on that post marked it as misinformation or offensive, then send it to 10^2 people outside their immediate social circle. Repeat until it hits 10^4, 10^5 or whatever and then it hits a tier of truly mass audience. Perhaps here it requires a real review by a moderator if it has keyword matches or isn't from a trusted source. Then it is let out to reach everyone because its just a kitty cat video, or about the best way to stain a table, or all the community content we actually want.
This approach is closer to an A/B test for a social post. If it is posted and highly offensive within a small group of close connections, then it never ripples out of those echo chambers. Again it's about uniqueness of the post, so grandma can click reshare or whatever, when she looks at her history she see's it in her timeline, but it's never massively put on others feed until its gone through above.
Ironically, the social platform killing it right now works somewhat close to this in terms of showing you others posts. My feed shows me a lot of big posters, but like 10% of the time I am reached by people i've never viewed, with a post with like 5-10 views. Then they measure engagement (how long did you watch, did you like, etc), before they decide to push it to more people. (My summary of their algorithm, not theirs). I'm advocating for similar but to gate for offensive/misinformation. Seems like it would work like a sieve where good/unoffensive content would rise to the top "in general" and the bad stuff would stay with a small amount of eyeballs.
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Can we stop miscategorizing reactionary regressivism as "conservatism" ? There is nothing conservative about it. They're essentially trying to drag us back at least a few decades and destroy longstanding institutions, including things like separation of church and state and the right to access medical care.
No. Because as much as your absolute moral certitude might feel good to express you aren’t changing anyone’s mind with it. On the contrary. There’s tens if not hundreds of millions of them and same for you guys. We are all stuck together in one polity. If we are ever going to achieve a synthesis and get back to a healthier place it’s not going to involve the kind of rhetoric you are indulging in here.
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It already passed, it's a law on the books in Texas. And now it's been upheld at by both trial and circuit courts. FWIW: there's one last chance at SCOTUS to undo this, but if that doesn't work out what we're almost certain to see instead of "pre-filtering" is just "No Tweeting from Texas".
It's kinda interesting how a world like "no tweeting from Texas" might jive with EU laws which want to restrict IO and data storage to just inside the region or country. Are we about to get more decentralized just because the laws are accidentally forcing us to? Imagine connecting to EU or Texas Twitter to see what's going on there.
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The term “conservative” means nothing if you apply it to a court which has overturned years of legal norm across various areas of law.
The appropriate description for the 5th circuit is “corrupt, incoherent activism”.