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Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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The model size:training image ratio seems more like an implementation detail more than anything. The fact that people are writing prompts with named artists, and phrases such as "Trending on Artstation"- yeah, I'm not sure if you can just handwave that away.

In some ways it’s just a coincidence that those prompts do something. You can use names of artists that don’t exist and those work just as well, once you’ve figured out what they mean. Also, even if the model didn’t come with knowledge of an existing artist someone could fine-tune it in, and it’s possible the model can learn about your art style without seeing any of your images anyway.

This is a very important point.

Others have alluded to this, but I'll make a larger claim: human artists actually are doing very little that is original. The styles, composition, and subjects are all derivative works. That means their "essence" can be recreated without them.

Another fascinating consideration, if artists names were excised from future models, either by law or by choice, the "mirror" artists (fake) could be the ones which become famous and the humans forgotten.

AI could become more generalized or there may be millions of models, doing specific things, strung together like with APIs. Either way, if an artist or trademark owner chooses some kind of explicit blocking, from the input side, it is possible that it would be the equivalent of your keyword censored from Google's index, Google Maps, Amazon, and so on. Disney? I don't recognize that word.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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And vintage sign making is now highly valued (whether hand-painted or digitally produced simulcra) We tend to value scarcity. Things that resemble AI art will become passé and anything that is difficult/impossible for AI to produce will become highly regarded. I'm very curious to see how this shift in popular and/or high-brow taste will play out.

thousands of small companies sustain and employ humans, reliably now as sign makers? I live in a metropolitan area, sign makers were reliably found and nearby in my living memory. There are very few now, mainly as corporate franchises with catalog contents. How is the value of scarcity you refer to, being circulated in terms of reliable income and stability for humans living now? How plural are the products in modern…

I mean, that has mostly been supplanted by graphic design as a field, which is still making signs, just not necessarily literally handmaking signs out of outdated technologies like neon tubes. And now also helping design websites and other such new technologies.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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Humans emulate as well, and produce bland art as well. I've seen lots of human-made art (especially on Artstation) that failed to elicit any emotional response in me. The reason people are having this discussion is a fear of AI creating aesthetically pleasing and deep emotionally through statistical approach. And the deeper fear that AI can potentially "hack" our senses by providing us with exactly what we want to se…

I think the point has been missed. AI is bound. Humans are not. To better illustrate that difference: Just because anecdotally some human might produce crap doesn't mean that is the limit of all humans.

Well put. AI is an evolutionary death, in a sense. True Intelligence is not, at the point at which it is not, it is no longer artificial, and then ethical concerns must apply (rights for so-called AI citizens, etc.)

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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Humans mix a much more broader and deeper experience pool to create things without prompts. That wide variety of experience changes the decision of what to create, but I think it has less influence on the actual output than one might expect. A person can have enormous life experience but if they have never seen a logo, a photo, a painting, a drawing, or any other kind of rendered image they will be no more sophistica…

Actually, I don't agree. I take photographs and design logos for my pet projects sometimes, and I optimize for feeling most of the time. I want my photos to make the viewer feel a particular way when viewing what I took. This affects colors, style, and everything. Arguably, as long as the medium carries the message the creator intended, it's equal in my view. It can be a photo, a drawing, a digital painting or a phys…

"yet our output is affected by what we experience in other parts of life, unrelated to the art we create."

Right, and what happens when you let that loop feedback to itself?

An asphalt road on every corner, so we build more asphalt roads, we design only what has been designed before. Amplify this thousands of time through computer generated design, the feedback loop is closed and unchanging. Unless your goal is actually to create an independent organism (different moral issue), you are creating sophisiticated feedback loops, not worthwhile content generation. Unless by content generation you mean endless remixing...which is not the same.

Sort of like changing the color of a 3d model and claiming it is a new race with new attributes, as is often done on the cheap e.g. in videogames.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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If large language models trained on cross entropy loss for the next token prediction in the limit aren’t dangerous, then they aren’t enough by themselves for AGI. An AGI, by virtue of being at least as general as a human, would be able to effectively form a plan for how to act in the world to achieve fairly general goals, in fairly general conditions. Even if it isn’t agentic, if a program can formulate these plans i…

That's why we have to make sure the user (committee) is safe and aligned. The usual silicon valley tech execs, or east coast financial bros aren't going to cut it this time. The democratic solution here looks better than the expected rule of the (very) few.

That isn’t enough if the plans which are enacted have unintended undesirable consequences.

Re: Online art communities begin banning AI-generated images

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Then why do they pretend to ban a specific art type? I could have generated variations of a human created digital piece in less time than these AI (currently) since the creation of this platform but they didn't seem to feel threatened by this up until now... so there is clearly an other problem.

> I could have generated variations of a human created digital piece in less time than these AI Seems dubious that you could achieve over 2000 upload each day, without stopping.

The point I was making is that prior to AI generated pieces, a human could create one piece and then apply random filters to it and also upload thousands of small variations every day. People didn't do it because it is not very interesting. The broader point is that these AI pieces can be interesting, and such a ban is not just because of bandwidth/storage limitations.
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