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A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowhere in the "Expected climate impacts" section is inducing an ice age even on the table. The anticipated effect is a 2C cooling of the atmosphere. Considering we're on track to blow way past a 2C increase in atmospheric temperature from 100 years ago to 30 years from now, SAI would be a mitigating action. The goal is to maintain our habitat.

"Expected" - is the keyword here. No one should (and I belive will) agree for any kind of "geo-climate-engineering experiments" unless our science is actually capable of predicting/simulating exactly what's going to happen. Said understanding of the climate and ability can be proven by let's say consistently successful weather forecasts for 14 days in advance. Then we can talk. Until then, even seriously considering…

> Said understanding of the climate and ability can be proven by let's say consistently successful weather forecasts for 14 days in advance. Then we can talk.

Weather prediction and understanding the impacts of SAI are two very completely different problems. This is an arbitrary and not particularly relevant benchmark for gating geo-engineering work.

That being said there are many, many ethical, political and other technical reasons why geo-engineering is a very bad idea and should be avoided at all costs. Undoubtedly, mitigating as much as climate change from occurring by quickly reducing global GHG emissions should be one of the main laser-focused areas of everyone involved in stopping climate change.

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #12

I'd want there to be a 0% chance of unintended consequences before taking this seriously. And even then when there is no other choice.

Don’t stand in the way of their hubris.

How DARE they try to prevent the extinction of the human race!

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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- "6.7 Tg-SO2/yr in each hemisphere" Perspective: that's roughly one Berlin airlift in each hemisphere. (Peak airlift was 12,941 tons/day, which would be 4.7 million tons annualized). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Blockade I don't know if the approach in the OP is a correct one or not; but it would embarrass the history of our species to argue we're not capable of doing it.

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Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #14

What's interesting to me is that there's nothing stopping one country from deciding to do it. Canada, USA, Russia, even Denmark (via Greenland), Finland, Norway, Sweden or any nation near the south pole. It's a logistics problem, not a technology problem. Just as there's no legal framework to force countries to not make the climate warmer, the same goes for cooling the climate.

Neil Stephenson explores this theme in Termination Shock [1], worth a read if you are curious about the subject.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termination_Shock_(novel)

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t stand in the way of their hubris.

How DARE they try to prevent the extinction of the human race!

dude stop pretending like global warming will cause our extinction or provide a source to back it up. none of the models i've read supported any conclusion like that

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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I might have missed it, but they don’t seem to talk about the fate and transport of the sulphuric acid that forms when the sulfur dioxide oxidizes. This is important to know.

The argument usually raised is that the volume is too small to matter (and a comparison to SO2 volcanic eruptions). I haven’t seen those studies so am at the moment dubious (but would like to be wrong).

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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I'd want there to be a 0% chance of unintended consequences before taking this seriously. And even then when there is no other choice.

0% chance of side effects is unrealistic. A better way to think of it is like the hippocratic oath that doctors adhere to: to do no harm.

Yet just a few weeks ago a doctor cut some holes in me. That’s clearly harmful, yet in the balance I was quite glad he did so sad that way he could repair my arm. So a trade off analysis is required.

Fortunately there’s a emerging governance, e.g. from the Climate Restoration Safety and Governance Board that’s just starting up. It already has a pipeline of projects waiting to apply for regulation.

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #14

What's interesting to me is that there's nothing stopping one country from deciding to do it. Canada, USA, Russia, even Denmark (via Greenland), Finland, Norway, Sweden or any nation near the south pole. It's a logistics problem, not a technology problem. Just as there's no legal framework to force countries to not make the climate warmer, the same goes for cooling the climate.

Also, access to international sulfur markets. That wouldn't be a barrier for Canada though, which has access to an unlimited supply from (ironically) its oil industry. Athabasca oil sands are somewhere around 5% sulfur, most of which gets extracted and piled up into useless pyramids (since no one is buying it). https://www.businessinsider.com/there-are-mountains-of-sulfu... https://boingboing.net/2016/07/05/the-great…

Perfect. At long last my country will take it's rightful place as ruler of the world: we'll start a massive global cooling project and threaten to end it in a termination shock if we aren't properly compensated for it.
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