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A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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The question of whether or not this type of intervention will be necessary comes down to the specifics of various climate tipping points.

There's evidence that we've already crossed a tipping point with regards to methane release (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28989-z). The loss of arctic sea ice is another important one, as the albedo of the earth decreases as the reflective ice turns into water.

It seems likely to me that some amount of solar geoengineering will be needed to bridge the gap from now until we achieve a carbon drawdown.

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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What's interesting to me is that there's nothing stopping one country from deciding to do it. Canada, USA, Russia, even Denmark (via Greenland), Finland, Norway, Sweden or any nation near the south pole.

It's a logistics problem, not a technology problem.

Just as there's no legal framework to force countries to not make the climate warmer, the same goes for cooling the climate.

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #14

What's interesting to me is that there's nothing stopping one country from deciding to do it. Canada, USA, Russia, even Denmark (via Greenland), Finland, Norway, Sweden or any nation near the south pole. It's a logistics problem, not a technology problem. Just as there's no legal framework to force countries to not make the climate warmer, the same goes for cooling the climate.

This idea is explored in Neal Stephenson's Termination Shock. There was no stopping one crazy billionaire, let alone an entire nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termination_Shock_(novel)

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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Fun fact: we are currently in an ice age. By definition, when ever there is ice sheets covering both poles we are in one. The default state for earth is no ice over the poles (as far as we can tell) The amount of ice also fluctuates wildly in an ice age. The ice coverage can be where it’s currently at (poles), all the way to an ice sheet covering half of the US and Europe. But in the last 5 million years, there’s a c…

Nowhere in the "Expected climate impacts" section is inducing an ice age even on the table. The anticipated effect is a 2C cooling of the atmosphere. Considering we're on track to blow way past a 2C increase in atmospheric temperature from 100 years ago to 30 years from now, SAI would be a mitigating action. The goal is to maintain our habitat.

"Expected" - is the keyword here. No one should (and I belive will) agree for any kind of "geo-climate-engineering experiments" unless our science is actually capable of predicting/simulating exactly what's going to happen. Said understanding of the climate and ability can be proven by let's say consistently successful weather forecasts for 14 days in advance. Then we can talk.

Until then, even seriously considering it is stupidity of the worst kind exemplified by results of smaller attempts to "engineer" things we don't understand fully such as destruction of the Aral Sea and its ecosystem and many others.

"But, but, we _already_ "engineer" our climate by releasing large amounts of greenhouse gases!" say proponents of such ideas. To which I say, those things cannot be compared. During the earth's history there were many significant releases of co2 and methane we can study (from mega volcanoes, to asteroid impacts caused planet wide forest fires). There were times when the earth's atmosphere had 10 times the co2 it has now and it didn't cause a Venus-like runaway greenhouse effect some people are so keen on presenting as an almost certain scenario. The planet managed to reabsorb it.

We can mitigate many effects of climate change that manifests itself as few degrees of warming (including all the more intense weather events) much better than let's say a significant drop in temperature for a decade.

In 50 years we will think about such climate-engineering ideas the same we now think about ideas from 1950s to use nuclear explosions for building canals, and other "soil moving" ideas. Insanity.

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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I might have missed it, but they don’t seem to talk about the fate and transport of the sulphuric acid that forms when the sulfur dioxide oxidizes. This is important to know.

We can guess by looking at the SO₂ deposited by volcanic eruptions

> [The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo released] 17 megatons of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere, causing global cooling by 0.5 °C (0.9 °F) between 1991–1993

> [It] oxidized in the atmosphere to produce a haze of sulfuric acid droplets, which gradually spread throughout the stratosphere over the year following the eruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_eruption_of_Mount_Pinatub...

Re: A subpolar-focused stratospheric aerosol injection deployment scenario

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post #14

What's interesting to me is that there's nothing stopping one country from deciding to do it. Canada, USA, Russia, even Denmark (via Greenland), Finland, Norway, Sweden or any nation near the south pole. It's a logistics problem, not a technology problem. Just as there's no legal framework to force countries to not make the climate warmer, the same goes for cooling the climate.

Also, access to international sulfur markets.

That wouldn't be a barrier for Canada though, which has access to an unlimited supply from (ironically) its oil industry. Athabasca oil sands are somewhere around 5% sulfur, most of which gets extracted and piled up into useless pyramids (since no one is buying it).

https://www.businessinsider.com/there-are-mountains-of-sulfu...

https://boingboing.net/2016/07/05/the-great-sulphur-pyramids...

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