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FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

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Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#41

This should be illegal. I can understand raising the rates on existing paid plans automatically, if nothing else it's eventually reasonable for inflation purposes, but auto-converting from free to paid? No.

It's probably legal to send messages like this, just like it's legal for ski slopes to have "We aren't at fault for anything" statements on every ticket. It's when they tried to enforce it that they'd find the law wasn't on their side.

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#43
post #32

I got that e-mail too, on a decade-old test account: first an e-mail that reads like my account simply "expires" if I don't update. Then an invoice. Here's what I don't get: After a stunt like this, any reputation/brand value that you might have had is gone. So, the obvious conclusion is they bought the company purely to pull this trick. Any other value the company might have had is deleted. Can that have been worth…

They are as eager to find out as you, meaning they have never done this before and it's just a gamble.

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#45

Is there anyone left still using FogBugz? I thought modern tools (GitHub, GitLab, Taiga, etc) had made it obsolete a long time ago.

It's more like Jira than GitHub. Jira is still widely used, even though FogBugz is much better quality.

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#46
So I checked my email and I had two trial accounts in the past. Once in 2010, and once again in 2014 with a different email where I'd apparently forgotten I'd tried it out in 2010. Both said they were for on-demand trial accounts and would expire. I got a confirmation of the expiriation for the 2014 account and that email did not get this auto-upgrade email, but the 2010 one I got no confirmation of expiry and did get this auto-upgrade email. To be generous, maybe older trials weren't properly marked ended but this is still a pretty shit way to handle it.

(of course, the 2010 account gives a 500 error trying to open the management page and they asked me to provide billing details so it's probably not much more than a stub at this point).

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#47
Here’s more on IgniteTech/ESW Capital: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2021/04/27/inside-a...

ESW Capital was discussed in “Software Sweatshop – Inside Billionaire Joe Liemandt's Empire” (2021): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28852956

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#48
post #6

Absolutely absurd. I haven't touched it for 13 years, and just received an email that they will be billing me $31.25 with 6 hours warning. This, of course, is a few hours after an email saying that my "free subscription" will be expiring in a month, not within hours. The kicker is that the billing FAQ 404s, the "account URL" 500s, and there is no apparent way to log in to the account that they are billing me for. At…

Same here. It's was probably around 13 years as well, probably to try it out and never touched it since. My "account URL" shows 500 error as well. Here's the almost empty auto-reply if you reply to the email: Hi, Please reach out to the Fogbugz support team by visiting the following portal; https://support.fogbugz.com/hc/en-us/ Thank you, Fogbugz team.

"Just email everyone in the system, anyone who has ever given us an email address"

"Are you sure? Those really old accounts aren't even compatible with our current platform, they won't be able to even log in"

"Everyone!"

"Sigh..."

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#49
post #6

Absolutely absurd. I haven't touched it for 13 years, and just received an email that they will be billing me $31.25 with 6 hours warning. This, of course, is a few hours after an email saying that my "free subscription" will be expiring in a month, not within hours. The kicker is that the billing FAQ 404s, the "account URL" 500s, and there is no apparent way to log in to the account that they are billing me for. At…

My last use of FogBugz was in 2012. After replying to FogBugz's fake bill, I noticed an auto-reply in my gmail spam:

Title: "Notification - Please visit support team"

Sender: "Sales and Success"

The short body declares that I have to go to their support portal.

I can't tell whether this stems from incompetence or if their aiming for Spam on purpose. Given their behavior, I assume the latter.

Re: FogBugz new owners attempting to auto-upgrade all free plans to paid

#50
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Ignite tech'? That's a weirdly appropriate name for what they appear to be doing.

From the Ignite Tech website: > Our current customers are our only focus, and each should expect excellence from every aspect of IgniteTech. If at any time you believe we are falling short, the buck stops on my desk. > Eric Vaughan // CEO Whose going email him?

>https://ignitetech.com/about/leadership

kind of funny how they have all these C-level executives but there is no CTO listed. And this for a supposedly technical company..

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