I hate free street parking but this is so bizarre and unfair that I actually feel sympathy for the parkers.
Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
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Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#42Ah yes, reminded me of when my motorcycle was parked near 7th and South St. There was construction I guess, and my motorcycle was apparently courtesy lifted to the sidewalk. I returned from vacation to ~$700 of tickets for the bike being on the sidewalk.
did you fight it?
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#43A similar thing happened to my wife and me during a vacation. We had reserved a car via Enterprise Car Share (like Zipcar). When we arrived to the designated car share space, the car was missing. We called Enterprise who said the car had been properly returned by the previous customer days before, so it should be there. They paid for us to get an Uber to another available car, so we were only delayed and hour or so.…
Done they put signs or cones up or something? It’s crazy that this keeps happening.
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#44A similar thing happened to my wife and me during a vacation. We had reserved a car via Enterprise Car Share (like Zipcar). When we arrived to the designated car share space, the car was missing. We called Enterprise who said the car had been properly returned by the previous customer days before, so it should be there. They paid for us to get an Uber to another available car, so we were only delayed and hour or so.…
That is actually a bit reassuring that they can not just at a whim turn on gps tracking.
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The cars are towed away from legal spots.
I think the article misstates this. They’re normally legal spots, but at the time of the special event, they’re not legal.(Usually temporary signs are placed a day or two in advance.)
if they were parked illegally, they would just be towed
they were "courtesy towed" because the space became illegal after the car was already there
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article says she was handcuffed (detained); it does not say she was arrested (which would be absurd).
The quote from the police chief implies she was arrested (though it's in brackets, so it could just be sloppy reporting): > “My sergeant on the scene received information from Philly PD, who said, ‘Go ahead. Lock her up. It’s [a] good [arrest],’” Long Beach Township Police Chief Anthony Deely said in 2020.
This tweet suggests she was not arrested: https://twitter.com/phillyinquirer/status/129427390187110400...
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#47A similar thing happened to my wife and me during a vacation. We had reserved a car via Enterprise Car Share (like Zipcar). When we arrived to the designated car share space, the car was missing. We called Enterprise who said the car had been properly returned by the previous customer days before, so it should be there. They paid for us to get an Uber to another available car, so we were only delayed and hour or so.…
It's good if they can't restrict activating GPS because of customer privacy issues but I would think the time between one customer returning it and the next customer picking it up ought to be fair game?
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The cars are towed away from legal spots.
I think the article misstates this. They’re normally legal spots, but at the time of the special event, they’re not legal.(Usually temporary signs are placed a day or two in advance.)
> (Usually temporary signs are placed a day or two in advance.)
Based on the stories here, not not sure this is happening.
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> _is_ this theft? If not, why? No, the asset is being moved, not retained by the mover, and it's ostensibly being done for the public good (edit: see the link further down the thread for why this matters). If _eminent domain_ isn't theft, this definitely isn't. > Does it matter if it's done by a private towing company? Not if they're deputized.
> No, the asset is being moved, not retained by the mover I don't get this argument. If I take something which doesn't belong to me, say from a store, and move it two blocks away and put it down, I would still be stealing right? Is the perpetrator required to 'retain' something for it to be theft? If I'm caught while stealing and drop the item, "I just moved it without the owners consent" probably isn't going to cove…
> If I take something which doesn't belong to me, say from a store, and move it two blocks away and put it down, I would still be stealing right?
No, not if you don’t intend to deprive the rightful owner of it (although good luck convincing anyone that you lacked such intent).
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/theft
> Theft is the taking of another person’s personal property with the intent of depriving that person of the use of their property
Re: Philly pays $30K to two 'courtesy' tow victims, but class-action suit continues
#50> Problem is, the city doesn’t have a modern, reliable way to track the vehicles’ new locations, leaving owners wandering the streets for days or weeks, looking for their cars. They could do vastly better than the status quo with century-old multi-part paper form technology. "White Copy - Central PD Tow Office", "Yellow Copy - Precinct PD Tow Clerk", "Pink Copy - DMV, to mail to vehicle owner", ... This kind of worse…
> They could do vastly better than the status quo But why should they have to? It’s 2022, get a LoJack or AirTag for your private property that you leave lying around illegally in public space.
AirTags are a whole seperate rant - I am not the only user of my car, but I can’t share my AirTag.