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60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

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Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#101

There's this weird sentiment that the only people who use bots are the political party you don't like, and that's simply not true. Everyone uses bots; Russia, Ukraine, Republicans, Democrats, etc, and even if these parties themselves don't pay for the bots someone else will

And on the flip side, there's also the assumption that posters who are ill-informed, aggressively partisan and posting repetitive shit constantly throughout the day are bots. But that's actually how ordinary people behave when spending too much time on social media...

(There are clearly enormous effective coordinated propaganda campaigns on Ukraine's behalf, but I'm pretty sure kids on Reddit shouting about killing 'orcs' aren't part of it)

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#102

Reddit is weirdly overflowing with pro Ukraine propaganda and people don't seem to notice. Any even neutral story about Russia brings out vitriol about how obvious Russia's propaganda is. But somehow they miss the same effect when the story is pro-Ukraine, no matter who the sources are, how unlikely the content is to be true, etc. This was to be expected in the first months of the war, but after so many months of a s…

> Reddit is weirdly overflowing with pro Ukraine propaganda and people don't seem to notice.

Can it be called "propaganda" if it's just like, an r/worldnews link to a story on some website and then 100,000 "actual users" (I don't think they're all bots?) on their own volition/will/brainpower spread/support (upvote) the "pro-Ukraine" message in the comments?

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#103
post #76

Reddit is weirdly overflowing with pro Ukraine propaganda and people don't seem to notice. Any even neutral story about Russia brings out vitriol about how obvious Russia's propaganda is. But somehow they miss the same effect when the story is pro-Ukraine, no matter who the sources are, how unlikely the content is to be true, etc. This was to be expected in the first months of the war, but after so many months of a s…

It's obviously better if people always look at things with a sceptical eye but it isn't weird to me people want to support the Ukrainians. Pair the narrative of the smaller country being invaded by the belligerent dictator next door with (in my case) a country where Russia is already unpopular due to various assassinations, sabre-rattling, and so on, its not hard to understand the current balance of In the UK the mai…

I think there is a false-dichotomy presented here.. a choice is not "believe big govt (mine) versus big govt (theirs)" to be contrarian. There is another avenue and that is to listen to your own sense of right and wrong, up to and including questioning the authority of your own govt, of "their" govt, giving voice to the voiceless like minority social elements, the elderly, the agrarian, the less-educated locals with cultural affinity, religious voices.. etc.

The media products of mass mobilized military societies have some similarity with each other, when viewed this way, despite being "at war".

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#104
Though the conclusion that this algorithm detected more pro-Ukraine bots is true, there's also this conclusion which would make a much better headline:

> Pro-Russian non-bot accounts are most influential overall

The Ukrainian bot networks are much bigger but also less effective than the targeted Russian troll farms when it comes to the invasion of Ukraine, at least the way this was measured.

I don't see how they've compensated for the difference in popularity of Twitter in Ukraine and Russia. Russia has its own social media full of its own propaganda, there aren't that many Russians on Twitter in comparison. Furthermore, Russians speaking out against the government can face some serious consequences so the pro-Ukrainian Russians probably know better than to voice their opinion with a hashtag, shifting the balance further.

I also question the reliability of this machine learning network; this data doesn't come from a human verified data set, just from a machine learning algorithm trained on other bot data. I'm sure the network can detect bots that behave like the bots flagged in the original data set it was based on (though I hope that didn't include the faulty French data set) but that doesn't prevent one from setting up a new bot network that this system doesn't catch.

Finally, regarding biases of the linked website, India is generally more in favour of Russia in general. I'm not sure why India chooses to support Russia in such a black-and-white situation, especially given their own history of being invaded by greedy expansionist powers that claim to "help" the local population, but I suppose the dislike for the west is stronger than the compassion for the Ukrainians.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#105

Reddit is weirdly overflowing with pro Ukraine propaganda and people don't seem to notice. Any even neutral story about Russia brings out vitriol about how obvious Russia's propaganda is. But somehow they miss the same effect when the story is pro-Ukraine, no matter who the sources are, how unlikely the content is to be true, etc. This was to be expected in the first months of the war, but after so many months of a s…

I hate Putin and his regime in Russia right now but Ukraine (atleast from the pictures I’m seeing) seems to be overrun with explicitly neo nazi groups. In my ideal scenario they both take each out without effecting the actual EU.

Where do you see those pictures? I follow some pro-Russian propaganda groups on Telegram just to see the other side of the argument and even they don't seem to have such pictures.

A small side-story: In one of those groups I told them I am Turkish (as they really kindly asked the non-Russians following the group to state their reasons for doing so) and out of nowhere they went 15 mins about how disgusting my race is and when I asked how is that different than the behavior of alleged nazis in Ukraine, they banned me :)

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#106
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That depends mightily on the subreddit though, as always. The better ones flair or ban the propaganda posts.

I think you're giving Reddit too much credit. The frontpage is awash with astroturfing, agenda posts, and an obvious bias being curated by a handful of power mods. Sure, minor or niche subreddits can escape this, but that's probably only because they are non impactful to begin with. "Flairing" posts doesn't do much good either, because the vast majority of users don't filter. I wonder if this actually makes things wo…

Minor niche subreddits are the only things that keep me on the site. The default subs are universally awful.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#107

Reddit is weirdly overflowing with pro Ukraine propaganda and people don't seem to notice. Any even neutral story about Russia brings out vitriol about how obvious Russia's propaganda is. But somehow they miss the same effect when the story is pro-Ukraine, no matter who the sources are, how unlikely the content is to be true, etc. This was to be expected in the first months of the war, but after so many months of a s…

I run a social media marketing service; we stream all reddit content (~110 posts/comments per second). We run text analysis on comments and bot detection on popular posts. Most people don’t understand how many bots are influencing public discourse on reddit. It’s really concerning, particular that the “real” users on reddit tend to be young and impressionable.

I would def like to hear more about this if you can elaborate. I have long believed that Reddit is mostly bots because of how often (current thing) is pushed to the front, and any dissenting opinions are downvoted and buried

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#108

That's funny, because in my social media circles I see a lot of edgy contrarians blaming the West for everything. Even after Putin compared himself to Peter the Great [1], in that Peter righteously conquered possessions of Sweden to "return" them to the rightful possession of the Russian empire, and Putin was now doing the same with Ukraine - which, according to him, seems to have no right to possess itself. Putin is…

I was just happy that @pmarca finally shut up with his "current thing" bit after Bucha. I generally like the tech community but the edgelord schtick is extremely common and gross.

Re: 60-80% of Tweeters posting on Russia-Ukraine war are bots, 90% pro Ukraine

#109
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate Putin and his regime in Russia right now but Ukraine (atleast from the pictures I’m seeing) seems to be overrun with explicitly neo nazi groups. In my ideal scenario they both take each out without effecting the actual EU.

Where are you seeing this? Genuinely asking because I always thought that the whole ukraine neo-nazi thing was entirely made up

It’s no more or less made up then the white supremacist narrative in the US. Yes they are real, yes you can fill a football stadium with them,no they are not even a noticeable percent of the population thanks to how large both counties are. This makes it easy to fill a tv screen with Nazis and sell whatever narrative you want.
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