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CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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There's not a big risk of overcurrent here, since the 15A breaker will trip on overcurrent even when it's being backfed. The main hazard with these suicide cables is of electrocution, both inside your house due to the exposed blades being energized, and of linemen working to restore the power.

Isn’t the usual advice to turn off your main breaker? Both to protect a lineworker and to avoid stalling your generator by trying to power up the neighbourhood?

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How can folks not see that using such contraption is obviously a shitty idea? That’s why we need to completely overhaul the teaching of physics in middle and high school. Every citizen should have at least a basic understanding of basic physical concepts that allow then to understand why this kind of thing is a bad idea

I mean most people know it's a terrible idea, it's just that 0.1% of a population of 330 million people is 330k people, and I don't think that 0.1% is from a failure of our education system

Why would you think that most people would just know it’s a terrible idea? After all, the vast majority of (digital) cables that people use mostly work just fine so long as they fit—leaving aside vagaries of USB-C and Thunderbolt.

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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How can folks not see that using such contraption is obviously a shitty idea? That’s why we need to completely overhaul the teaching of physics in middle and high school. Every citizen should have at least a basic understanding of basic physical concepts that allow then to understand why this kind of thing is a bad idea

As a layperson, electricity is one of those things that seems really complex and dangerous to mess with. But we've managed to abstract it down to "plug this cable into a socket" or "flip a switch". I remember doing the V = IR calculations in highschool, the difference between alternating and direct currents, as well as the relationship between volts and amperes.

While fascinating, none of that translated to real world working knowledge. In fact I was greatly surprised to learn about how my outlets are actually wired when I had to get my home's electrical panel replaced. Turns out, swapping electrical outlets and switches is actually really easy, but I only felt confidence once I had an electrician show me. Otherwise I would still be too worried about burning my house down

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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How can folks not see that using such contraption is obviously a shitty idea? That’s why we need to completely overhaul the teaching of physics in middle and high school. Every citizen should have at least a basic understanding of basic physical concepts that allow then to understand why this kind of thing is a bad idea

When I was a small child with endless un-jaded curiosity and no fear I once took a pair of cutters to a power cable plugged into a live 120v US outlet; it made an incredibly bright arc that I could see the afterimage of in my vision for several minutes and a deafeningly loud pop (In retrospect may have been the first stage of my tinnitus). For years growing up I would look at the replacement power cable for that electric typewriter and always feel pretty dumb.

Obviously nobody should learn that way and I'm thankful to not be dead or otherwise, but I was kind of disappointed growing up that in school I was never taught why this was a bad idea, even when I asked all I got was a wide eyed stare and a stern 'never do that again', never a 'So that's a bad idea and here's why..' Maybe in an alternative life I'd have become an electrician? Who knows.

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not a big risk of overcurrent here, since the 15A breaker will trip on overcurrent even when it's being backfed. The main hazard with these suicide cables is of electrocution, both inside your house due to the exposed blades being energized, and of linemen working to restore the power.

The breaker isn't part of the circuit, though. Generator connects to in-wall distribution which connects to appliances. You only go across the circuit breaker on the way to the mains line, which is (hopefully) disconnected. Or else it's not, and indeed you'll get overcurrent protection for any attempt to power your neighbors appliances.

If you make a cable to plug a 15A outlet in your home into a 15A outlet on the generator, then hopefully the generator has its own breaker that would trip if too much current was drawn.

If you plug your house directly into a 40A outlet (which has a different shape) then, yeah, you're screwed.

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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post #74

There's a wonderful kind of writing that pops up at hardware stores in response to annual searches for suicide cables. A couple examples here https://twitter.com/kobunheat/status/1336134415336964096 THESE ARE NOT MADE THEY SHOULD NEVER BE MADE has the kind of direct clarity of existential risk that they sought for with "This is not a place of honor. Nothing of value is here."

Really interesting... What are people doing with their lights where this would ever come up though? Edit: From reddit, a use case is found [1]: > They’re actually used my law enforcement whenever they do a raid and seize a computer. If they turn the computer off, they’ll have to try and get past a password. And if the hard drive is encrypted, they’re basically SOL. > This can be a real issue for things like drug deal…

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I recall a holocaust among hand crafted toys, a few years ago: They were enforcing "materiel origin" labeling or something and you couldn't sell home made toys without a lot of paperwork to certify they were lead free. Amazon is too big for laws to apply, and its umbrella apparently covers foreign sellers on its platform. Another fun toy they sell is the "heated shower heads", a tankless water heater element integrat…

In 1968 Bolivia, the only way you could shower is with these heated heads, because there were no hot water tanks. 220v, with exposed connectors. So anyway I'm standing in the shower under one of these heads, feet in a puddle. I raise my arm to wash an armpit, and the back of my hand touches the bare connector. It tingled a bit.

I visited Costa Rica this year and this is what the rental house had. Bit freaky.

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not a big risk of overcurrent here, since the 15A breaker will trip on overcurrent even when it's being backfed. The main hazard with these suicide cables is of electrocution, both inside your house due to the exposed blades being energized, and of linemen working to restore the power.

The breaker isn't part of the circuit, though. Generator connects to in-wall distribution which connects to appliances. You only go across the circuit breaker on the way to the mains line, which is (hopefully) disconnected. Or else it's not, and indeed you'll get overcurrent protection for any attempt to power your neighbors appliances.

Most houses are wired with master breaker(s) connecting the house to mains lines, and various slave breakers connecting the various lines around the house to the master breaker(s).

If you plug a generator into a wall outlet, that power will pass through the slave breaker protecting that particular circuit as the power flows around to the rest of the house.

Re: CPSC warns consumers to stop using male-to-male extension cords sold on Amazon

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How can folks not see that using such contraption is obviously a shitty idea? That’s why we need to completely overhaul the teaching of physics in middle and high school. Every citizen should have at least a basic understanding of basic physical concepts that allow then to understand why this kind of thing is a bad idea

Electricity is like magic to most people. If you ask around you'll find that folks don't have the vaguest idea how it works. All they know is "plug it in and it turns on". These people are eating and sleeping inches from voltages that could easily kill them. Safety measures are fairly good (even with the terrible US plugs), but safety devices can only go so far. I would strongly encourage that everyone (even those wh…

There's a fun little book called "There Are No Electrons" the premise of which is that most early education on electricity is full of bullshit analogies, but that those are also misleading and confusing, so it basically sets out to present a different set of incorrect-but-useful analogies that're easier to understand and are good-enough to give you decent intuition for how electricity works—even if it's "well ackshually" entirely wrong.

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post #86

All these cable stories always make me wonder: Is it possible to design a safe gender-less power plug? By that I mean one that has no male and female end but two symmetrical ones. That would not only be safer but also more convenient as there would only be one type of such cable, instead of three: (female-male, female-female, male-male).

There is the Anderson connector for DC applications. The concept could be extended with a center ground contact and retractable shields.
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