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Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by rocket_surgeron »

gaius_baltar wrote: post #64
kelnos wrote: post #9

Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads. Look, I hate ads. I really do. You can pry uBlock Origin from my cold, dead fingers. But the thing is, sites and creators and whatnot still often choose ads as a way to fund the things they create. If they're pushing ads at you over a medium where you have control (there's a reason why a web browser is a "user agent"), then I think you totally have the right to choose wh…

> Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads. Nope. YT Premium only makes the problem worse by requiring you to log in using an account that is tied to your real world identity and was used for payment processing. You just end up giving more data points to Google to track you, cross-reference with other sources and shove more ads in other platforms, still get native ads, and Google can just add their own ads later…

People who don’t pay (or watch ads) are no different from the greedy dickheads who offer to pay artists and developers in “exposure”.

Ether pay, or don’t use.

Fuck You, Pay Me: https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by MisterSandman »

throw_a_grenade wrote: post #46
ssharp wrote: post #34

The solution to this is $11.99 a month. The way consumers value things is insane to me. People will fork over $12 on DoorDash delivery fees, an overpriced drink, a coffee, etc. but to remove ads for access to an enormous vault of content that provides endless value, NEVER!!!

Where does it say paying actually will remove ads, and if it is, how long it will be until google will change their mind?

YouTube premium pays creators more per view than an ad-watcher pays, which probabaly means that the amount of money YouTube earns through a premium subscriber is more than they get from ads watched by an average user in a month.

So, I would say it's unlikely Google will change this up. Premium is expensive and Google knows how easy it is to download AdBlock, even on mobile, so they'll be playing with fire.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by tristor »

alxmrs wrote: post #114
tristor wrote: post #52

There's a lot of people here who act like the only ones annoyed by this are people who refuse to pay for YouTube premium. But here's the thing... /I/ do pay for YouTube premium, and I still find this annoying. Here's why: I'm not always logged into my personal Google account on a device, and I don't necessarily want to log in on some devices to my personal Google account, but I still need or want to use YouTube. YouT…

In cases like these, I use multiple personas in Chrome (I think Firefox has user profiles) so I can log into my personal accounts on my work computer while still keeping everything compartmentalized.

I'm glad that works for you, but I follow a strict policy of separation between work and personal accounts and technology in order to support a defense of my open source work against any claims from current/past employers regarding IP assignment. I have a completely physically separated space, network, and internet connection specifically for work usage and there is no account or physical crossover between work and personal computing. I /never/ login to personal accounts from a work device, and I never will, browser personas is not a sufficient protection.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by BudaDude »

gaius_baltar wrote: post #64
kelnos wrote: post #9

Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads. Look, I hate ads. I really do. You can pry uBlock Origin from my cold, dead fingers. But the thing is, sites and creators and whatnot still often choose ads as a way to fund the things they create. If they're pushing ads at you over a medium where you have control (there's a reason why a web browser is a "user agent"), then I think you totally have the right to choose wh…

> Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads. Nope. YT Premium only makes the problem worse by requiring you to log in using an account that is tied to your real world identity and was used for payment processing. You just end up giving more data points to Google to track you, cross-reference with other sources and shove more ads in other platforms, still get native ads, and Google can just add their own ads later…

Thats a very entitled view. No one is forcing you to use Youtube and you are skimping creators who rely heavily on ad revenue.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by colinmhayes »

impulser_ wrote: post #13
Nas808 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works well on a desktop browser, but the YouTube ads are still a problem on iOS and other platforms like smart TVS, Roku or Chromecast/Google TV.

You could just buy YouTube premium. Cancel Spotify, buy YouTube premium. Get both ad free videos and music on the same platform.

youtube premium is not a spotify replacement. Youtube is in no way built to be a music playback app.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by colinmhayes »

vgeek wrote: post #25
Nas808 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works well on a desktop browser, but the YouTube ads are still a problem on iOS and other platforms like smart TVS, Roku or Chromecast/Google TV.

Pihole with ad blocking or an OpenWRT (or really any router) router with ad blocking DNS is an alternative.

iOS can do DNS adblocking natively. https://adguard.com/en/blog/encrypted-dns-ios-14.html Doesn't work for youtube because they're serving the ads first party.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by BizarroLand »

duxup wrote: post #71
kelnos wrote: post #9

Then pay for YT Premium so you don't have ads. Look, I hate ads. I really do. You can pry uBlock Origin from my cold, dead fingers. But the thing is, sites and creators and whatnot still often choose ads as a way to fund the things they create. If they're pushing ads at you over a medium where you have control (there's a reason why a web browser is a "user agent"), then I think you totally have the right to choose wh…

The internet population wants everything for free. Then we get upset when terms change/ we’re the product. I wish there was a better way.

No, you're wrong.

The success of Netflix and its ilk proves that people are more than willing to pay for a product.

The issue is that Netflix and its ilk decided that the format and payment we all agreed on for the content provided was insufficient, and split content and jacked up prices and fudged with the platform to extract more money from people who were already paying.

I would be ok with Netflix raising their prices as they produce more content and offer more services. I would be okay with a competitor or two having different content behind their own paywalls.

I am not okay with having prices increase while losing content and having negative experiences like advertising added to the experience across the board and needing to keep paying more and more to what is it, 10, 12 streaming services each with their own tiers of quality and constant price changes and content disappearing and being shifted over to other streaming providers.

They've taken what should have been a simple platform that is accessible to everyone for a reasonable price and turned it into a hellish pay-as-you-go labyrinth of frustration.

That's why people would rather pirate than pay.

What I would like is a pirating amnesty pay site. Go to one spot, tell it what you've watched (but not where or how) and pay whatever fraction of a dollar per show that the show creators expected to receive after all of the middlemen took their cut and go on with a clean conscience.

I would even pre-buy credits to spend on shows, when I'm out of credits for the month I don't get to watch any more tv. I'm cool with that, but that option doesn't exist and won't exist as long as soulless middlemen insist on pissing on the walls of every good thing until they get their money.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by duxup »

BizarroLand wrote: post #138
duxup wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet population wants everything for free. Then we get upset when terms change/ we’re the product. I wish there was a better way.

No, you're wrong. The success of Netflix and its ilk proves that people are more than willing to pay for a product. The issue is that Netflix and its ilk decided that the format and payment we all agreed on for the content provided was insufficient, and split content and jacked up prices and fudged with the platform to extract more money from people who were already paying. I would be ok with Netflix raising their pr…

I feel like your statement is more about Netflix, rather than all the services people aren't paying for.

Re: YouTube ads appear to be ramping up, with as many as 10 unskippable ads

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Post by BizarroLand »

duxup wrote: post #139
BizarroLand wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're wrong. The success of Netflix and its ilk proves that people are more than willing to pay for a product. The issue is that Netflix and its ilk decided that the format and payment we all agreed on for the content provided was insufficient, and split content and jacked up prices and fudged with the platform to extract more money from people who were already paying. I would be ok with Netflix raising their pr…

I feel like your statement is more about Netflix, rather than all the services people aren't paying for.

It's not just Netflix.

There are over 20 streaming services in the US alone, and while some of them are tied to your cable providers, the grand majority have some content that is exclusively available to them, each with their own fee schedule and varying amount of advertisements or combo deals required to view the shows you would like to see.

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