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US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Seems like real solution are phones that by default provided end-to-end-encryption for cloud backups, no local data “travel modes”, secure wipes, multiple logins, etc. — since trying to get countries to uniformly play by same rules seem highly unlikely.

Or just a burner with plausible activity stored on it to give the impression that it's your main phone.

I don't get the plausible activity bit. Just tell them it is your travel phone and be done.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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I guess the oft-cited advice to travel with a burner phone even applies to the USA. Sad to hear. I hope Wyden is successful in changing this practice, but I very much doubt that it'll change.

Has anyone that this happen by US border patrol? What are the specifics?

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

I just just reading this Bloomberg story about a Chinese spy who was busted. It’s mind boggling how sloppy even state backed malicious agents are at information security.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-09-16/chines...

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

It's not about security, it's just another method for the government to use to make you feel like their bitch.

Now take off your shoes and walk through the scanner.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Terrifying for only 2 reasons: 1. Any malicious person savvy enough to pull off a crime of interest to the Feds is smart enough to provide a wiped or burner phone to DHS/ICE, and they have to know this. So, what is the point in doing this if not to target law abiding citizens. 2. USGOV has a spotty track record of keeping this information secure. A foreign actor is likely to access this info eventually. As one former…

For only those two reasons? You best be joking

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Honestly, as a non-American this scares me. I am absolutely not at all important and a fairly mediocre programmer as well, I don't store compromising data about anyone, never stole code or company data in my life (and never will), etc., you get it. A normal law-abiding citizen. I still don't want to get my phone taken on an US airport and returned an hour later with God knows how many viruses that even Apple wouldn't…

This is a good opportunity to test your backup/restore from the cloud functionality.

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The way US treats the migrants is human rights violation at the border. Now add this to the pile of atrocities committed by the border patrol and ICE. It's high time we should consider open border.

This is like suggesting a biological cell not have a cell wall. One of the fundamental functions of a country is to regulate input/outputs at the border. There are so many disastrous problems that arise from the elimination of a border, that I question whether such a suggestion is ever even made seriously or made by sane people.

That analogy may be more insightful than you meant it to be.

Animal cells (e.g., the ones in your body or mine) do not have cell walls. They do have membranes surrounding the cells, but they aren't walls.

In the same way, any country has borders, but there's a lot of scope for variation in what they allow across the border under what conditions. "Open borders" does not mean "no borders".

For instance, the borders between countries in the Schengen Area of Europe are "open", even though those countries still have borders. This has been the case since 1995. Civilization there does not appear to have fallen so far.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds great when typing it up on the internet in a comfortable chair, but when a few power hungry workers with guns are breathing down your neck in a small room you can't get out of, the rules aren't going to make you feel 'safe'.

Eh, right are only rights if they are enforced and/or asserted. If neither is done, at best, they are forgotten and wither and at worst become a quaint memory of things that were. The rules exist for a reason. They also exist for people with guns; especially for people that do it on behalf of government. If you are afraid of guns from people in uniform, you are already doing it wrong. I will tell you this as an inter…

I have often wondered why gun control advocates in the US haven't taken the ammunition approach. Is there some precedent in the courts that limitations on ammunition are equivalent to those on the firearms themselves? I.E. ammunition commonly used for legal purposes cannot be banned?

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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Do they do this with laptops too? If not, the laziness of assuming everything is on the phone is amusing.

Yes, they do, but not all people carry laptops where pretty much everyone will have a smartphone. There have been references to Cellebrite devices which target smartphones. So when all you have is a hammer, you focus on the nails.

There are stories online of people having a "travel" laptop where they fill their USB/Thunderbolt ports with epoxy or similar to prevent device connections by anyone not just at border crossings.

Re: US border forces are seizing Americans' phone data and storing it for 15 years

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just a burner with plausible activity stored on it to give the impression that it's your main phone.

I don't get the plausible activity bit. Just tell them it is your travel phone and be done.

That's not an acceptable answer in a number of countries.
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