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Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by wildrhythms »

tristanb wrote: post #510
joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

I considered putting Adobe in a VM because i didn't want the 30,000 extra processes running when I install it. Its embarrassingly fragmented and bad. I absolutely dread the moment when I need to install CS on my new machine.

How the hell did Photoshop get so bloated? The featureset hasn't changed all that much since CS3 era, and yet CS3 ran at half the memory and at twice the speed. What the hell happened?

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by ineedasername »

Oh well, so dies an amazing product to be locked up behind a massively customer-unfriendly organization.

I'd even rather it have been acquired by Google where it could end up being graveyarded, there at least it would, if it survived, have been more easily available. I consider it for practical purposes no less survived now than if Google had killed it.

Is there anyone who could have acquired them that would have been a better custodian for such a great product?

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by ineedasername »

I know Adobe is not really included in the typical anti-competitive criticism like some of the entrenched FAANG's, but this amounts to nothin less than what they do to stifle competition: Point to upstarts like Figma to justify an argument that "No, see? Competition is still possible!" But then buy out that competition to create a metastable state of:

   1) dominance w/ noncom practices 
   2) -> disruption by a slight threat arises to threaten #1 market share
   3) -> buyout of #2
   4) -> return to to the desired state of #1

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by zeruch »

cercatrova wrote: post #675
Aperocky wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only open and free software can defeat the likes of Adobe. Can't wait for the dominance of Photoshop to be ended by gimp and ffmpeg, I've found that they work fairly well for whatever editing I need. Maybe open source variety of Figma also exist?

> Can't wait for the dominance of Photoshop to be ended by gimp Hah, good joke, I've been hearing it for years now.

Decades.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by ineedasername »

mikece wrote: post #169

And now all of the Figma users are saying "Oh [crap]... now I need to find a new tool to use." When is the last time Adobe acquired something and it improved? They destroyed Fireworks and Dreamweaver when they acquired Macromedia (which they only did because they wanted Flash). At this point I'm tempted to swear off Adobe products entirely -- except that the combo of Lightroom and Photoshop are the industry standard…

I'm not enough of a power user to use a lot of the more advanced & unique features of photoshop, but a few years back I switched to Gimp & Inkscape for managing product photos & wire diagrams of things I need to laser cut. It's a bit more clunky and too a few weeks to learn the differences enough to get done what I needed to, but by now I have no need for any paid product much less one from a corporation that was a nightmare to deal with.

For anyone looking for an alternative I'd highly recommend checking out these alternatives. Especially with the devoted communities that provide a wide range of plugins it's possible to map a lot (not all) use cases onto these alternatives.

I'm not sure there are similar alternative to things like lightroom & after effects, and it may be that Adobe's ability to have a tight integration of the production pipeline through these produces can't easily be duplicated. But if your needs a little simpler, check these out.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by redler »

skyfalldev wrote: post #725
lenkite wrote: post #714

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda weird complaining about Adobe subscription pricing in a Figma thread when Figma also has the subscription pricing model.

Figma doesn't have Adobe's predatory cancellation fees AFAIK.

Hold my beer. -- Adobe

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by kblev »

noelsusman wrote: post #599
connor11528 wrote: post #537

According to the FTC the law states that mergers are illegal when the effect "may be substantially to lessen competition or to tend to create a monopoly." Pretty positive this would lessen competition in design software and restablish Adobe as a monopoly. This merger should be blocked. https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...

The FTC uses the Consumer Welfare Standard to decide antitrust cases, which means they have to show that a proposed merger would cause tangible harm to consumers. If "reducing competition" was the standard then all buyouts/mergers would be illegal since they all necessarily reduce competition.

I have been thinking about this the other day, and I think buyouts and mergers should be illegal.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by seemaze »

joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

This, and every acquisition Autodesk has ever made.
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