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Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

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I am a manager in huge transnational outstaff/outsource/consulting service provider responsible for a group of customers with projects and individual consultants.

I make my living building, fixing, running and dismantling IT organizations.

I'd like to share my vision of why it's happening with the market.

1. Supply and Demand: Demand for individual contractors is low, supply of people who want to be self-employed is huge. Means customer has leverage in negotiations and thus race to the bottom. Demand for FTE is huge, while supply is low. Means employee can dominate the market and ask for high compensations.

2. Cost-To-Company: Everyone compares cash on hands with rate billed to customer. While company bears cost for extra taxes, benefits and internal services (Payroll, Operations, Internal IT e.t.c.). That's could be called direct costs.

3. Cost of developer/employee acquisition (On average pass rate is 1:20 (hire:Active Candidate) for developed countries and 1:90 for developing countries, and 1:200 for some consultancy roles) consisting off interview cost, recruiter bonus and other expenses.

4. Cost of customer acquisition: Mostly time spent by salesmans, architects, analysts, managers, designers and also representative costs. (Some presales can take 3 years, and all payed from company pocket)

5. Scale and Complexity: While it's still possible to find solo assignment there is a hoard of people who wants to take it, and it's a tiny part of market. 80% of a market it's a long term team play. And customer wants to have a team starting on Monday.

6. Economy of Scale and Offshore: Service providers are able to keep back office costs low while providing flexibility, scalability and risk management.

7. Bureaucrats: There's a ton of bullshit work needs to be done to get a contract (Legal, compliance, certifications), individual contractor theoretically can walk the route, but it will take forever and cost a fortune.

It's harder to compete with leviathans than ever before, but all is not lost. Here's the recipe.

1. Specialization. Focus on one language (Like Java) or even one technical problem (Like migrating to microservices). Focus on one business domain like e-commerce.

2. Sales and Marketing. Make your own blog, linkedin page, youtube, attend conferences, get certificates, talk to your ex-colleagues, managers, customers in a search for new assignments.

3. Market. You probably should avoid big-co's and focus on SMB's. Your ideal company should be small and unregulated internally and externally. Ideally Decision maker should be as far from IT as possible and inexperienced as manager to buy your 2. Sales and Marketing.

4. Convenience. You should emulate convenience to hire you, get yourself a personal assistant and lawyer to make paperwork. Choose trusted location to work from, to eliminate legal risks.

5. Jack of All Trades. Advertise as expert, work as problem-solver, talk to business, make documentation, code, test, build infra, sell your solutions.

6. Play long - stay focused. Onboarding to some roles might take even 6 month, no one needs jobhoppers. Work 1 contract at a time, avoid multi-contracting, better to jack the rate.

7. Build a team. Maintain a pool of few dozen of trusted partners to take on larger engagements.

8. Lazy support. Provide on demand support for solutions you have delivered for stand by cost.

Maybe I have forgot something but for the most part this is it.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

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post #12

I've worked with A Team (www.a.team) for about a year now and I've had an amazing experience with them so far. Really interesting projects, good pay and their team is very supportive with getting you up and running. Can't recommend enough

I joined a few months back and got matched with a pretty stellar contract shortly after coming onboard. There's a pretty wide variety of work on the platform so you can be as picky as you like (want to work on crypto? or desktop apps? etc).

Jobs seem to be mainly split between full-stack, front-end, and mobile but there's quite a few openings for soft skills like PM work.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have history on Upwork, and pretty good one. But I haven't used it in 6 years, and my rate then was around $60/h and it's double that now. But I keep hearing how terrible and underpaid it is in here, hence this post.

Do not use UpWork. They take a big cut, the clients you get are generally garbage, and they can close your account (and even keep your funds) for any reason.

I used to use UpWork extensively 10yrs ago, with lots of success. We tried to use UpWork recently and cant even create an account. There is no real way to figure out how to make it work or what the issue might be. The site has gone downhill fast.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

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Toptal is trash if you're in the US or in EU. They have shit hourly rates and you compete against developers from anywhere in the world, so you can't ever match the rates they are throwing in. If you are in the EU, check out Freelancermap, Austin Fraser, Hays, Malt, Darwin Recruitment, Upper.co (for less pay, but startup work). I think one thing which is restricting your search is your tech stack. I'd honestly concen…

We had a guy from toptal for a while. He was okay, but nothing extraordinary. The odd thing is that nearly everyone they sent our way was of Eastern European extraction, with a demeanor & grooming more military than nerd, which I found most peculiar.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

#135

One thing that makes me sad, is the old "contract agent" seems to have gone the way of the dodo. I clearly remember these folks. They acted in almost exactly the same way as literary or artist agents; searching out opportunities for their clients, and setting up interviews, etc. As a hiring manager, I dealt with them frequently, and had friends that used them. They used to make a lot of money, because they would char…

> Nowadays, it looks like they have been replaced by "race to the bottom" sites, like Upwork, or these contract companies, that hire you at a fairly low rate, and shop you out for very high rates. I can't help but feel like these platforms are like Uber for programmers: devoid of all meaningful professional contact and ultimately the commodification of programming as a job. The power dynamic has shifted to give most…

It's especially worse when they are required by TOS to not engage in communication with bidders/clients outside the platform.

This would be like, for example, if you set up a job interview from a listing at Indeed, and then Indeed demands that you do not use regular email to stay in contact with the employer, you must use their own messaging system. And you can't even voice chat elsewhere unless it's a link that is provided by Indeed so they can be aware of it.

Just the walled garden aspect of freelancer websites is what turns me off.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

#136

Toptal is trash if you're in the US or in EU. They have shit hourly rates and you compete against developers from anywhere in the world, so you can't ever match the rates they are throwing in. If you are in the EU, check out Freelancermap, Austin Fraser, Hays, Malt, Darwin Recruitment, Upper.co (for less pay, but startup work). I think one thing which is restricting your search is your tech stack. I'd honestly concen…

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Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

#137

Toptal is trash if you're in the US or in EU. They have shit hourly rates and you compete against developers from anywhere in the world, so you can't ever match the rates they are throwing in. If you are in the EU, check out Freelancermap, Austin Fraser, Hays, Malt, Darwin Recruitment, Upper.co (for less pay, but startup work). I think one thing which is restricting your search is your tech stack. I'd honestly concen…

Absolute True. Some folks fall to exploitation trap thinking this is freelancing. I would say if someone is really very junior, then surely can try, otherwise - don't bother. Otherwise you would need to ask a question why not hybrid/fully remote full time company. There are lots of platforms/companies that purely focused on exploiting freelancers with "divide and rule" logic.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the best contract site I'm aware of. Last year I had a long-term gig for $150/hour and this year had an offer for $200/hour.

Is that as a 1099 or w2?

1099. Payouts happen globally. Once you reach your first 400 hours building with A.Team, you unlock guaranteed, bi-weekly payments without the need to wait for the payment from the company you work with.

Re: Ask HN: Where are the good platforms for contract work?

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post #55

Toptal is trash if you're in the US or in EU. They have shit hourly rates and you compete against developers from anywhere in the world, so you can't ever match the rates they are throwing in. If you are in the EU, check out Freelancermap, Austin Fraser, Hays, Malt, Darwin Recruitment, Upper.co (for less pay, but startup work). I think one thing which is restricting your search is your tech stack. I'd honestly concen…

I'm in UK, and I've never heard of any of those sites you've mentioned. So it's much appreciated.

No problem :) For UK I have also made some nice experience with "Spinks", which is a UK based recruiter. I didn't have a project with them and the pay was more like B+, but the recruiters were nice and the projects sounded interesting. Might be worth a call.
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