Having worked in startups in SF and now Boston for the last 12 years, I first started making my current salary in 2014 and have never made more than that from one job. So in real figures, salaries have come down quite a bit due to inflation. Only real way to make money in tech is FAANG. I've owned so much worthless stock it's basically a meme.
Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
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Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thats odd. I know loads of lawyers living in mansions while loads of “highly paid” developers live with housemates, or rent tiny homes. If anything, software development pay has reached construction worker pay. At least we dont have to sit out in the cold.
Highly paid as a developer means you're making $400k+ with less than 10 years under your belt. Those people don't generally live with roommates unless they're aiming for aggressive FIRE.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#63Having worked in startups in SF and now Boston for the last 12 years, I first started making my current salary in 2014 and have never made more than that from one job. So in real figures, salaries have come down quite a bit due to inflation. Only real way to make money in tech is FAANG. I've owned so much worthless stock it's basically a meme.
as in, all the non FAANG startup stock you earned became worthless? its actually kind of rare to have that high of a failure rate in startups, particularly by name brand VCs. feel like at worst you get a shitty acquihire but you at least get _something_ for your stock
Every other start-up I've worked for either went under, never exited or had an exit only the founders profited from. This is probably true for 99% of all start-ups.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#64That's a hard question. I'm in Denmark, which is notoriously expensive, and I'd say that even $120K for Sr DevOps is a bit on the high end. There where a period of time with large "year on year" jumps in pay from 2010 to 2018 (something like that). That does seem to have cooled of in the past four years. I did see a brief surge in positions offered and higher wages last year, but that stopped in during spring time th…
Issue in denmark is that high pay gets heavily taxed. So 102k is what 50k at best? Factor in vat and its less.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#65Tech, like law, is a bimodal market. If you think of it as a single bell curve your intuitions will be all wrong. The good news is that unlike law it’s possible to jump into the better paying market even if you didn’t go to the “right” school.
Thats odd. I know loads of lawyers living in mansions while loads of “highly paid” developers live with housemates, or rent tiny homes. If anything, software development pay has reached construction worker pay. At least we dont have to sit out in the cold.
In a post-covid world you can normally move anywhere you want and keep your pay after you build a good network and reputation.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a cousin who makes $220k as a crane operator at a port. I'll never make that much in my career.
A welder in london charges 700£ plus per day. A bit difficult to reach as a software engineer.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't like it, and it's clearly not within the spirit of the rules (I'd rather the agency/end-client just paid Qdos for their own fee-payer insurance) but if it just creates a civil liability, I'm not sure I can see why it wouldn't be enforceable. The agency would have to pay up first, but then could presumably pursue the Ltd co afterwards.
I'm not a lawyer but from my understanding the attack would be on general principles: contractual provisions can't override statute law in our system, any contract has to meet certain basic standards to be enforceable, and if a contract isn't genuinely negotiated but rather dictated by the more powerful party (aka contracts of adhesion or standard form contracts) any later decisions about interpretation are likely to…
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#68Having worked in startups in SF and now Boston for the last 12 years, I first started making my current salary in 2014 and have never made more than that from one job. So in real figures, salaries have come down quite a bit due to inflation. Only real way to make money in tech is FAANG. I've owned so much worthless stock it's basically a meme.
as in, all the non FAANG startup stock you earned became worthless? its actually kind of rare to have that high of a failure rate in startups, particularly by name brand VCs. feel like at worst you get a shitty acquihire but you at least get _something_ for your stock
Many many many startups don’t even get that much. They fold entirely or get acquihired for “hey you still have a job”.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#69That's a hard question. I'm in Denmark, which is notoriously expensive, and I'd say that even $120K for Sr DevOps is a bit on the high end. There where a period of time with large "year on year" jumps in pay from 2010 to 2018 (something like that). That does seem to have cooled of in the past four years. I did see a brief surge in positions offered and higher wages last year, but that stopped in during spring time th…
Issue in denmark is that high pay gets heavily taxed. So 102k is what 50k at best? Factor in vat and its less.
Re: Ask HN: Have tech salaries been stagnant for the past decade?
#70That's a hard question. I'm in Denmark, which is notoriously expensive, and I'd say that even $120K for Sr DevOps is a bit on the high end. There where a period of time with large "year on year" jumps in pay from 2010 to 2018 (something like that). That does seem to have cooled of in the past four years. I did see a brief surge in positions offered and higher wages last year, but that stopped in during spring time th…
Issue in denmark is that high pay gets heavily taxed. So 102k is what 50k at best? Factor in vat and its less.
$102k/year = DKK 759288/year = DKK 63274/month.
Typing 63274 into https://hvormegetefterskat.dk (howmuchaftertax) says 40.2% tax rate.
The you have to factor in $0 in health costs (gratis hospital and doctor visits), no payments for kids attending university, 32 weeks of paid maternal leave, and 5 weeks of mandatory holiday each year.