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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cb14 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #142
eesmith wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addressed in the Q&A section of the page: > Why are people aged under 50 not to be re-vaccinated? > The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not…

But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general…

It’s not about expense, it’s about safety and efficacy, the shots aren’t safe.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

BrainVirus wrote: post #283
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-... > The media multiplier effect can, at times, create disinformation storms with potentially dangerous effects for those Russia perceives as adversaries at the international, national, and local level. In the past, Russia has leveraged this dynamic to shield itself from criticism for its involvement in malign activity. This approach also allows Russia to b…

This flavor of argument-by-insinuation is getting really, really old. Dismissing people or statement because they sound vaguely similar to some foreign source is in itself an obvious propaganda technique that uses exactly the same mentality as the dumbest conspiracy theories out there.

No. The poster said:

> I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

Their claim was that adversaries are spreading vaccine disinformation. This is backed up by evidence. The only claim being made is that adversaries are doing this.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cb14 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #122
goto11 wrote: post #121

The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50…

Still, why stop offering boosters for your population? Most Danes I knew were dutifully getting their boosters when called in by the health authorities. This sets a bad precedent.

It sets a good precedent, the shots aren’t safe or effective. Does everyone have amnesia about how these things were sold? They were supposed to stop the virus cold. So much for that.

It’s a very good precedent. It wasn’t supposed to be an ongoing thing. The risk benefit just isn’t there except maybe for the most comorbid.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by kseistrup »

switch007 wrote: post #349
kseistrup wrote: post #340

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I feel you're just being overly pedantic here. Surely those links are not the end of the story, they were just links that I could find very quickly. I'm sorry that they don't match your expectations. I am also sorry that you don't like the “we don't need to accept”. I merely meant that we should have learned by now that we can avoid lots of influenza infections by very simple means, of which improved hand hygiene is…

I'm bothered by your ignoring the cost and consequences of eliminating influenza. You mention hand hygiene but the reality is - by admission of the links you yourself provided - that it's much more than that. As if washing our hands is what led to the severe reduction of influenza, and not gigantic changes in our society such as banning travel, banning socialising, closing offices, closing schools etc! At huge, huge…

I don't have any further comments.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

canoebuilder wrote: post #306
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #267

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Wow, that's a pretty weird misinterpretation of the data. My understanding is that almost 30% of the Israeli population refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons, which (even if you could make robust inferences from a chart like that) would throw the whole theory into doubt.

There is nothing to interpret. Very simply - more people have died since the shots than before. No need for goofy phd words like “robust inferences” Much more than 70% of the at risk population were injected, they are the ones that are dying. That shots were sold as stopping the virus entirely, “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” let alone die from it! So why have there been more deaths since the shots tha…

I look forward to hearing your Nobel prize for Medicine speech in a number of years so.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by wsc981 »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #330
wsc981 wrote: post #120

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I kinda wonder what the number of influenza deaths was in the last 2 years.

There'll be statistics on influenza deaths, depends on the jurisdiction you're interested in.

I found these graphs: https://www.familiesfightingflu.org/flu-deaths-vs-covid-19-d...

It's remarkable how few people died from flu the last 2 years. I know people were (probably still are) being tested for COVID when visiting the hospital. Do we test for flu?

I also feel COVID deaths are overblown, should probably be much lower in these graphs (many people that died /with/ COVID have been marked as dying /from/ COVID).

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

t-3 wrote: post #337
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-... > The media multiplier effect can, at times, create disinformation storms with potentially dangerous effects for those Russia perceives as adversaries at the international, national, and local level. In the past, Russia has leveraged this dynamic to shield itself from criticism for its involvement in malign activity. This approach also allows Russia to b…

Just because the Russians are saying it doesn't mean anyone has to be propagandized to also say it. Assuming your counterparts in a discussion have been led to their views through deception is rather infantilizing. The Bill gates microchips stuff is totally irrelavent.

> Just because the Russians are saying it doesn't mean anyone has to be propagandized to also say it.

The only claim was that they are saying it.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by VMG »

canoebuilder wrote: post #306
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's a pretty weird misinterpretation of the data. My understanding is that almost 30% of the Israeli population refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons, which (even if you could make robust inferences from a chart like that) would throw the whole theory into doubt.

There is nothing to interpret. Very simply - more people have died since the shots than before. No need for goofy phd words like “robust inferences” Much more than 70% of the at risk population were injected, they are the ones that are dying. That shots were sold as stopping the virus entirely, “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” let alone die from it! So why have there been more deaths since the shots tha…

Currently Russia and Iran are leading the excess death charts, neither of which use mRNA vaccines.

Birth rate trends in Israel, German and Russia are the same as in prior years

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/birth-rate

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISR/israel/birth-rate

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/birth-rate

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by LadyCailin »

brigandish wrote: post #305
LadyCailin wrote: post #282

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Public health rights and not clogging up hospitals with easily preventable diseases readily outweigh your individual right to not get vaccinated, in general. Had the discussions around the specific Covid vaccines been argued with this in mind, a more productive conversation could be had, but instead it jumps immediately to a conversation about “muh rights” which is wholeheartedly disingenuous and/or selfish.

To protect or support one individual's rights is to protect or support everyone's individual rights. That is why, for example, prominent free speech activists will support the right of people they vehemently disagree with to voice their opinions, as it protects one's own right to voice opinions. How is that selfish? > If you would like to be selfish, you should do it in a very intelligent way. The stupid way to be se…

Individual rights do not trump collective rights in all cases. If I have the right to shoot a gun, that does not mean I have the right to shoot a gun while people are down range. This lack of nuance in your argument is absurd. The selfish part is suggesting that your individual rights trump everyone else’s rights.

Specific individual rights can and do trump collective rights, but this is a conversation we have to have as a society. For instance, if I am down range, my individual right trumps everyone’s right to fire a gun down that range. It’s the flip side of the same coin. Positive freedoms are zero sum with negative freedoms. Realizing that is step one to having a productive conversation about these things.

Once we get past that fact, by realizing that it is zero sum, and your individual right takes away some collective right (and vice versa) we can look at specific instances and debate those. But when the conversation begins with “you’re taking away my rights”, the rest of the conversation is guaranteed to be unproductive, because, depending on your perspective, both outcomes take away someone’s rights.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by trention »

BrainVirus wrote: post #327
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

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Have you considered that a lot of people in the medical field have always been latent antivaxxers and that was just the moment to out themselves? Spoiler alert, antivaxxers are always wrong.
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