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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people actual facts https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h... look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021 "time to blame the 'unvaccinated'" "time to inject them against their will" "time to violate their basic human rights" https://alexberenson.s…

Ah, you link to (your) "actual facts": a few short sentences, and a demand based on one graph. Plus speculation (no details though) that the vaccine is interacting with Omicron. A title with a demand in all caps. Yay for facts, and not emotions! For the obtuse: the last sentence was sarcastic. Give me a long detailed scientific paper and then maybe it's worth considering.

The “actual facts” are the numbers represented in the graph. (My bad, I thought that would be clear)

The shots were sold as “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” but apparently people still are getting the virus. And not just getting the virus, but dying from it. And dying from it in greater numbers than before the shots! WTF is up with that?!

Clearly the shots don’t work as they were supposed to.

And they are killing people. Excess deaths are way up in mRNA injected countries.

And they are preventing people from being born. Birth rates are way down in mRNA injected countries.

Not good.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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post #145

It's about the booster "The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. People aged under 50 are generally not a…

> People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population." Please say one in a…

So, are the risks of Covid lower than the risks of the vaccine? And do you have evidence to back your implied assertion?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Even with the "low" death numbers right now (averaging between 400 and 500 people a day), it is still times worse than the worst flu epidemic in recent decades! Nevertheless, they will not be that low in the months from October to March, so this would be 4-5 times the worst flu with an epidemic "under control"! However, what if the virus reinvents the high mortality of SARS or MERS combined with being the second most…

4-5 times worse than flu is fine. If it mutates to be more deadly like sars we would obviously change strategies and need a new vaccine for that.

...for a given (and very odd) value of "fine".

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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2018 was an exceptionally bad year for influenza. Typically influenza deaths in the U.S. are between 20-30k. COVID deaths in the U.S. over a two year period amounted to over 1 million.

This chart from CDC shows deaths from all causes: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm It still (just barely) shows part of the 2018 influenza spike, which is pretty similar to where we were at in July (note that the last few weeks on this chart are likely to come up a bit, but from what I've seen they don't rise much once they're 2-3 weeks old). Now it's always possible that the winter will b…

You're making some very big claims here, especially has repeated infection by the same strain of Covid (nevermind differing strains) has been demonstrated to occur.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

tl;dr - COVID and Influenza may have similarities, but the comparison is premature, faulty, and doesn't reflect the actual threat of COVID as we understand it currently. At this point I'm no longer asking people to change their behavior, it's pointless. However, the very least you can do is not be dismissive of people who are still being cautious.

Comments about "show your papers" are bullshit. We had an opportunity to prevent this from becoming a pandemic, and once it became a pandemic we could've worked together to limit spread and protect one another. Instead we had a large chunk of society that decided letting COVID burn through millions of victims was preferable to wearing a mask or not having parties.

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CDC says the 2018-2019 Flu season killed about 28K people, hospitalized 375K people. The vast majority of those were in the 65+ age group. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html) The 2017-2018 season estimate was 61K, the 2019-2020 estimate was 22K, prior years from 2010 through 2017 were as high as 51,000 and as low as 12,000.

The U.S. is averaging 400-500 deaths from COVID per day. If you split the difference and call it 450, that's more than 160,000 per year. Note that COVID numbers are probably shaky given that we have states like Florida trying to block reporting, and inaccuracies in reporting since COVID deaths may be misreported (e.g. someone recently "recovered" from COVID dies of stroke or heart attack that may be linked to COVID but the person isn't tested for COVID or isn't currently testing positive but the death is likely a result of COVID).

So, our averages are far higher than Flu and that doesn't even take into account deaths we aren't counting as COVID. The excess deaths reported from March 2020 - March 2022 were 15% higher than reported COVID deaths.

We also have no evidence of "long-flu" the way we're seeing complications of COVID infections long past the initial sickness.

And we don't yet know if we've reached a plateau or if we have more mutations/waves in front of us that will spike numbers. Or, maybe we are seeing the tail end and we'll stay at current numbers or decline further.

Several experts are predicting a fall surge - which may or may not happen, and may or may not be severe. Like Flu, yes, many people now have some exposure and/or have been vaccinated -- so COVID is less "novel" and may keep declining in severity, but given lax attitudes towards masking and vaccinations/boosters and other precautions, we'll see more sickness and death than we need to.

Anecdotally: Between March 2020 and March 2022 I knew maybe two people in my immediate circle of friends and family (about 30 people) who tested positive for COVID, and two who likely had COVID but didn't get a positive test. The two likely cases were prior to vaccine availability and one of the couple works in health care and had no real way to isolate and avoid exposures. Happily, none of them died or were hospitalized.

Since March of this year my immediate family (4 people) and my wife's brother & his wife (who's pregnant and being super-cautious) are the only people I know who haven't tested positive for COVID at least once. Most of my co-workers have had it. While, again, no one has required hospitalization or has died, the reported symptoms & after-effects often are higher in severity with a case of the flu. We're talking weeks long "brain fog" and loss of smell/taste, shortness of breath, and so forth in several cases. (To be fair, some cases have been mild - usually spouse or children of someone who's been sicker, but tested positive after exposure.)

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Sweden hasn’t vaccinated under 15 I believe even with a first dose and as far as I know there are no plans to either. The recommended number of total doses (2-5) is now simply depending on your age from 15-65.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency... > Vaccination is offered to all children from 12 years of age since COVID-19 can cause serious illness also in children. The vaccine used in Sweden, Comirnaty, is approved for use from 12 years of age. It provides a high level of protection against serious illness. > Several EU countries are vaccinating children aged 12–15 years, including Denmark, Finla…

You are right, it's 12-65+ decides how many doeses are recommended, and under 12 (not 15) unvaccinated.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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All you have to do is look at a chart of excess deaths to disprove this.

And how is that number derived? Do you have any idea how the calculations are performed to arrive at that number? I suggest you take some time to investigate. When we are talking about the US, in particular, the whole pandemic has been politicized

The hint is in the word "excess". If there's a pandemic, and concurrently the amount of deaths in a population increases, there's a strong argument for correlation.

Excess deaths doesn't care what your cause of death was, it just compares deaths in period X to deaths in previous periods.

> When we are talking about the US, in particular, the whole pandemic has been politicized

Yeah, it was very sad to see the Republicans and Trump in particular pursue that course of action.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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post #315

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> Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Unless long COVID turns out to be a real and serious thing...

I thought that long COVID was proven to be a mental disorder, not anything physical? That's why even people who were never infected with COVID experience it.

Now that's a claim that needs a citation or two.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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post #28

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2018 was an exceptionally bad year for influenza. Typically influenza deaths in the U.S. are between 20-30k. COVID deaths in the U.S. over a two year period amounted to over 1 million.

I kinda wonder what the number of influenza deaths was in the last 2 years.

There'll be statistics on influenza deaths, depends on the jurisdiction you're interested in.
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