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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by canoebuilder »

LadyCailin wrote: post #282
canoebuilder wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people actual facts https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h... look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021 "time to blame the 'unvaccinated'" "time to inject them against their will" "time to violate their basic human rights" https://alexberenson.s…

Public health rights and not clogging up hospitals with easily preventable diseases readily outweigh your individual right to not get vaccinated, in general. Had the discussions around the specific Covid vaccines been argued with this in mind, a more productive conversation could be had, but instead it jumps immediately to a conversation about “muh rights” which is wholeheartedly disingenuous and/or selfish.

The shots don’t work. Even if they did, people’s choice over what is injected into their bodies comes first.

Even if they did work, the profile of who was at risk was clear, it wasn’t healthy young people. So why was it pushed on healthy young people?

From the outset the risk reward ratio was not clear for those without high comorbidites, the minute the myocarditis signal showed up it should have been pulled for most people.

Bearing in mind we now know myocarditis is just one of a multitude of negative side effects.

So why did it go on being pushed and coerced to healthy people, actively harming them?

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Post by archagon »

logicchains wrote: post #181
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

>So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreements with the party line or you get cancelled and then these prominent experts at the top of their fields do it every week on TWiV and don't get cancelled (because they aren't full of shit). On the one hand you say anti-vaxers are not cancelled but on the other hand you refer to them as full of shit. In spite of so many of their claims about the vaccine having bee…

> it doesn't prevent severe covid or death

Yes, it does…?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by mjevans »

Test0129 wrote: post #215
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point and I am having a hard time "trusting the science". You know the only people more full of shit than the anti-vaxxers? The "trust the science" shills. The anti-vaxxers may have the wrong idea but from 2020 to...well about the last few months we saw that anyone…

It's an evolutionary arms race. We still have the staggering spread of the virus in the wild, let alone a well controlled one like might be had with more ideal circumstances. (Circumstances of reasonable precautions, regular testing, and thoughtful actions that benefit the greater good.)

The 'bivalent' boosters, as far as I understand (non-expert), combine a widely proven safe (likely billions of individuals who've had the treatment at this point) technology and version of the vaccine, which might no longer match the dominant wild strain of the virus, with a derivative of that same vaccine tuned to that current dominant strain of the virus.

In order to be most effective that updated booster should be used while the variation it was designed to protect against is still in the wild.

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Post by ckw »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #229
ckw wrote: post #193

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UCSF professor Vinay Prasad making the case against the new boosters (and claiming that those responsible for these recommendations ‘exhibit a pattern of gross incompetence’): https://youtu.be/USKDUvKmN5Q

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be Vinay Prasad. Regardless of where he works he's still compared mask and vaccine mandates to the Third Reich. Most public health officials have a much lower tolerance for death or lasting injury than Prasad does. Even amongst laypeople Prasad's tolerance for someone elsedying is much higher than that of those other people. A pattern of gross incompetence is the…

This is pure ad hominem.

Are his claims false? Is his reasoning unsound?

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Post by mrtksn »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Many anti-vaxxer are politically motivated, in a venn diagram you can find them in the same region with the anti-globalist, national socialists, radical leftist, libertarians, anti-americans, science-sceptics etc.

The overlap is not exact, that's why I say use a venn diagram but essentially anything anti-establishment has a anti-vaxxer component since vaccinse are considered establishments' game.

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Post by lizardactivist »

What will be Big Pharma's next move to bring revenue up again? The monkeypox certainly fizzled out to nothing.

I'm asking this because Big Pharma and certain high-profile individuals made it clear in print and televised US media both before and during Covid that we had best start getting used to these kinds of pandemics, because they would become recurring.

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Post by VMG »

nullish_signal wrote: post #278
space_fountain wrote: post #212

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Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vaccines aren’t a platform that can be triggered to do different things. It does use RNA which is cool because it allows for more rapid changes. The vaccine will mostly work with a wide variety of RNA payloads with the only difference being the exact antibodies i…

That's not how CLASSICAL vaccines work They changed the definition of "vaccine" to include the new mRNA technology

anything that doesn't involve cows is not a classical vaccine

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Post by kubav »

kseistrup wrote: post #162
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

Hasn't the pandemic also taught us that we don't need to accept so many deaths by influenza? I mean, here in Denmark influenza almost vanished because we started using hand sanitizer and facemasks.

On the other hand consuming huge amounts of face masks generates a lot of emissions which will have negative effect in future. The question is if those measures are actually net positive in case of influenza or we just kill more people later by air pollution and climate change.
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