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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by alvah »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Is your casual "anti-vaxxers" slur aimed at the pre-2020 definition of anti-vaxxer, or the more recent iteration?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Barrin92 wrote: post #185
FeepingCreature wrote: post #175

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"Oh, there's broad consensus because everybody follows the same document" looks worse , not better, than there being disagreement. Broad consensus based on the merits > Internal disagreement > broad consensus based on "guidelines".

the only way to judge whether a vaccine has merit is by evaluating population level statistics on its risks and benefits. You either match the profile or you don't. There's nothing any individual doctor can add, that's not how vaccinations work. On what basis is a physician supposed to reject a vaccine when it would be indicated by the data, they just feel like it?

I mean, yes, informed personal judgment - just like every other medical decision they do.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by jonathanstrange »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #14

Another new account posting what will surely turn into a very civil thread.

It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

I think you're right about the reasons for the decline. Most people have learned enough about Covid now to be able to see how good their health systems reacted (in my country, the response was outstanding). They're vaccinated and don't care about Covid any longer. These people participate less in threads about Covid now, so the percentage of fringe positions will increase.

However, I want to point out that HN was really good in the beginning. I knew about the pandemic earlier than any of my colleagues and gave some advice about cancelling events that sounded ominous then but turned out to be excellent. I even was able to predict the case numbers reliably during the exponential growth phase in early 2020, using my own calculations. All of that thanks to HN. Early discussions from January to April 2020 on HN were quite insightful, as were later discussions of possible medications and therapies by some of the rich hypochondriacs on HN.

I agree that HN is now useless for Covid-related discussions and has mostly turned into unscientific antivax garbage. But it was very useful during the beginning of the pandemic.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by blueblueue »

hamandcheese wrote: post #197
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #153

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Just curious - if you say so many other people are forming their opinion based on emotion rather than facts / truth and don't realize that - why do you think you are immune to the same phenomena? I don't mean it as an insult, I probably also have a few beliefs like that, with no way to realize which ones. Certainly feels good to believe I am protected from a deadly disease and feels bad to wonder about side effects.…

Parent did not say they believe they are immune.

But strongly implied it.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by jonathanstrange »

nope96 wrote: post #66
flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57

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It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

Adversaries of the west want us to be unvaccinated and sick. Knowing what we know about "troll farms", I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

What you say is true and has been corroborated by intelligence reports.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-disinformation-campaign...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by alvah »

michaelmrose wrote: post #180
samuel wrote: post #166

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There are several kinds of anti-vaxxers. It's easy to focus on the tinfoil hat kind but there are others that just kept an skeptic outlook and were equally by the ridiculized by media, when not directly accussed of being accomplices of homicide (I'm talking about Spain here, may be in other countries the situation was different). True experts' doubts just reinforce their positions instead of weakening them, IMO. For…

There actually really isn't any difference between the two groups. They differ only in how they articulate the same bad logic. Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even wit…

"Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even with mild infections of otherwise healthy people."

That's about the worst case of projection I've seen on HN. Just because that's your position is very far from it being the only reasonable position. There were plenty of sensible people calling for vaccination of the over 50s and other vulnerable classes at the time.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by elcritch »

space_fountain wrote: post #212
uwagar wrote: post #170

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Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vaccines aren’t a platform that can be triggered to do different things. It does use RNA which is cool because it allows for more rapid changes. The vaccine will mostly work with a wide variety of RNA payloads with the only difference being the exact antibodies i…

Technically uwagar is correct, if perhaps overestimating the capability of the "payload". The mRNA could in theory produce a wide array of proteins. Personally I'm excited by the potential for treatments for other conditions using mRNA tech, with research on autoimmune conditions already progressing. Also it's probably possible already to develop and deploy vaccines in weeks, though safety and efficacy tests trials still take months.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nullish_signal »

space_fountain wrote: post #212
uwagar wrote: post #170

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Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vaccines aren’t a platform that can be triggered to do different things. It does use RNA which is cool because it allows for more rapid changes. The vaccine will mostly work with a wide variety of RNA payloads with the only difference being the exact antibodies i…

That's not how CLASSICAL vaccines work They changed the definition of "vaccine" to include the new mRNA technology

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by sharken »

alvah wrote: post #271
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Is your casual "anti-vaxxers" slur aimed at the pre-2020 definition of anti-vaxxer, or the more recent iteration?

If you're talking about multiple iterations of the term "anti-vaxxers", then I'd argue that the term itself is no longer useful.

Nowadays it is used to create an us or them division. Which in turn removes any nuances.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by [deleted] »

theiz wrote: post #213
peter422 wrote: post #128

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I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

I really wish there was a normal conversation on this topic. If you would state that it might be better to offer vaccinations to the 50+ a few months back, you were an anti-vaxxer. That wording alone is also just to ridicule everyone that is somewhat critical on the Covid vaccination rules. There has been hardly any science in the regulations and mandates, just as there has been little science in the conspiracy peopl…

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