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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Lumbolol »

nikolay wrote: post #149
throwaway1777 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4-5 times worse than flu is fine. If it mutates to be more deadly like sars we would obviously change strategies and need a new vaccine for that.

Not exactly - there's enough data that each infection accumulates damage. This is not the flu and you're not back to where you were before the COVID-19 episode.

Each time you catch the flu you also accumulate damage. Same with every disease.

Just because you feel back to normal after getting over an illness it doesn't mean there isn't a permanent hit taken in terms of future repair & recovery capacity.

I suppose the argument is that Covid-19 causes more long term damage in many people when compared to other similar illnesses? That's interesting, but part of me wonders if this is just a false flag due to how much research there is going into covid.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by blub »

comex wrote: post #234
Test0129 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point and I am having a hard time "trusting the science". You know the only people more full of shit than the anti-vaxxers? The "trust the science" shills. The anti-vaxxers may have the wrong idea but from 2020 to...well about the last few months we saw that anyone…

Citation for boosters not working?

Back when Germany was considering making vaccination mandatory it was already clear that they only protect against infection for a brief time and that they’re not that effective against Omicron in the first place.

I don’t have any citations on hand, but should be easy enough to search for, especially now.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by that_guy_iain »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

I thought it was clear as day this was where it was heading. The fact the virus mutates so often made it clear that herd immunity to wipe it out wasn't possible. And that it mutates so much made it clear that we would need constant booster shots, and it isn't really viable to keep giving everyone one while paying drug companies tons of money for it.

For me, the only thing I care about is if I need to wear a mask and if I need to have a vaccination to do things. If I need to have a vaccination pass to do things then I don't think we should be getting charged for getting it. And I just hate wearing masks.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by croes »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #163
croes wrote: post #145

It's about the booster "The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. People aged under 50 are generally not a…

> People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population." Please say one in a…

Why do you only mention the fatality rate of Corona and not the risk of side effects like Long COVID? And the IFR pre Omicron was higher.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by noir_lord »

Markoff wrote: post #232
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

> They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have the same effect. Let me stop you right there, let's quote famous antivaxxer site called CDC: "Recent studies show flu vaccine can reduce the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are wel…

> So 40% efficacy IF WELL MATCHED to virus

That's a disingenuous reading of the thing you just quoted.

It's 40% to 60% if well matched - assuming that that the range is evenly distributed then the middle point is 50% not 40% and reducing overall risk of flu by 50% is a good thing since flu is much more a killer of the old and young (usually - there have been exceptions, 1918 Flu (aka Spanish Flu) killed younger people at a much higher rate).

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by canoebuilder »

stingraycharles wrote: post #140
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people, but rather based mostly on emotion. I have an extremely hard time believing that letting them listen to TWiV would have any meaningful impact.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people

actual facts

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h...

look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021

"time to blame the 'unvaccinated'"

"time to inject them against their will"

"time to violate their basic human rights"

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/i-know-what-you-did-last...

maybe, just maybe, the "unvaccinated" were able to see something you weren't and chose the better path

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by jonathanstrange »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #163
croes wrote: post #145

It's about the booster "The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. People aged under 50 are generally not a…

> People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population." Please say one in a…

You're making these very vague statements all over this thread. Why don't you just look up the current estimated fatality rate from Covid booster shots vs. the current estimated fatality rate from Covid infections from a reputable source like the CDC and post it?

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Post by lovich »

switch007 wrote: post #214
lovich wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t say they weren’t cancelled, he said that their claim that you can’t have any disagreements with the party line or you get cancelled. Anti vaxxers tend to not discuss nuanced details and instead come out with unsubstantiated claims like “vaccines cause autism” which is going to get most people to stop listening to them

There’s plenty of nuance you just want don’t want to see it because anyone not 110% in favour = bad :)

Please illuminate us then. Dang doesn’t ban people for anti vaxx claims on this board so you should have nothing to fear

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Post by blub »

michaelmrose wrote: post #180
samuel wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are several kinds of anti-vaxxers. It's easy to focus on the tinfoil hat kind but there are others that just kept an skeptic outlook and were equally by the ridiculized by media, when not directly accussed of being accomplices of homicide (I'm talking about Spain here, may be in other countries the situation was different). True experts' doubts just reinforce their positions instead of weakening them, IMO. For…

There actually really isn't any difference between the two groups. They differ only in how they articulate the same bad logic. Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even wit…

Your comment is a good summary of the kind of arrogance anyone pointing out problems with the vaccines was facing. When the AZ brain blood clots were discovered, when the Biontech and Moderna heart issues were discovered, etc.

IMO, your attitude is even more harmful than the typical vaccine conspiracy theories, because those are typically easily disproved!

But disguising a dogmatic attitude in the language of science is poisonous for discourse and misuses science itself.

Looking at the benefits and drawbacks of a new vaccine is the most normal thing in the world. And thanks to those that didn’t allow themselves to be bullied by misguided do-gooders is why we have a better understanding of the vaccines and doctors can explain to patients if the vaccine makes sense to them.

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