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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by cm2187 »

mcv wrote: post #224
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

A problem is also that both anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers have a tendency to interpret any nuanced discussion as proof that the expert don't know either and therefore it's all a lie. It's an incredibly destructive attitude to any honest discourse.

But you can't negate the fact that we have also been told a lot of bullshit. I remember the same speech in Jan 2022 where the health minister of France explained that covid was dangerous for children and therefore they will mandate vaccinating children, immediately followed by the minister of education explaining that covid isn't dangerous for children, that the number of children hospitalised for covid is less than for rare diseases, and therefore they will keep schools open during the covid wave.

Should I stop believe my lying eyes?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Markoff »

scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

> They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have the same effect.

Let me stop you right there, let's quote famous antivaxxer site called CDC:

"Recent studies show flu vaccine can reduce the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well matched to the flu vaccine viruses."[1]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

So 40% efficacy IF WELL MATCHED to virus, if not matched it's somewhere between 0-40%.

I'm not sure why you think COVID boosters not matched to current variant will have somehow bigger efficacy than influenza boosters which have only 0-40% efficacy, if not lucky. That's one of the reasons why it's pretty much pointless to get vaxxed against influenza/coronavirus for healthy people, the efficacy is next to zero in both cases for healthy people. For seniors, if they are lucky it will help them, if not it hopefully won't do more damage than good.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by jhugo »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

If normal public health messaging was as forthright as TWiV then misinformation might already be less of a problem.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by comex »

Test0129 wrote: post #215
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point and I am having a hard time "trusting the science". You know the only people more full of shit than the anti-vaxxers? The "trust the science" shills. The anti-vaxxers may have the wrong idea but from 2020 to...well about the last few months we saw that anyone…

Citation for boosters not working?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by mrweasel »

emptysongglass wrote: post #122
goto11 wrote: post #121

The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50…

Still, why stop offering boosters for your population? Most Danes I knew were dutifully getting their boosters when called in by the health authorities. This sets a bad precedent.

Most got their booster shots, but not as many as I thought or would like. 80% got the two shots, but only 61,7% got the booster. Both numbers are honestly MUCH lower than I'd expect.

It's honestly not economical to keep up the high level of testing and vaccination, not if most don't really get that sick. People are also a lot better at staying home when sick, compared to earlier.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by AnonCoward42 »

cbg0 wrote: post #138
AnonCoward42 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from Germany and I am - like 95% or so of my fellow Germans - vaccinated myself, so what are you talking about?

How can you and 95% of your fellow Germans be vaccinated when the vaccination rate is below 80% in Germany? https://www.google.com/search?q=germany+covid+vaccination+ra...

You said anti-vaxxer which encompasses all vaccinations, but especially in Germany it makes no sense. In Germany most people are vaccinated[1] against something, so they are not oppossed to vaccines necessarily. This illustrates the blind crusade against people that do not want to participate in the mRNA therapy study that is still being conducted.

[1]:https://www.gbe-bund.de/gbe/abrechnung.prc_abr_test_logon?p_... (vaccination rates among child school starters)

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by panda-giddiness »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #125
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Unless long COVID turns out to be a real and serious thing...

It is real in that virus infections can have long-term consequences. This is not new and has been known for a long time, and this of course can happen with COVID too. It is not real insofar one assumes COVID is special or particularly more dangerous in this regard. It isn’t, except for temporary loss of smell and reduced aerobic capacity. Also see https://kirkegaard.substack.com/p/how-unreal-is-long-covid

> It is not real insofar one assumes COVID is special or particularly more dangerous in this regard.

/cue accidental rap battle

Well obviously; that's a tautology. The question is how it actually differs per epidemiology.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

cm2187 wrote: post #223
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Depends what you mean by anti-vaxer. It goes from crazy conspiracy theorist to people who don't see the point of vaccinating healthy children. I don't think I am an anti-vaxer, I got two shots despite having had covid. I totally see the benefits for the population at risk. But for a mild virus like omicron, for a population that wasn't even at risk of the original strain, I just don't see the point of mandating vacci…

There are many strange effects of covid still being understood, like blood clots:

  https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/04/covid-patients-may-be-higher-risk-blood-clots-6-months#:~:text=Ho%20and%20Pell%20said%20that%20while%20many%20Omicron,of%20infections%20%2894.5%25%20in%20this%20study%29%2C%22%20they%20wrote.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by canoebuilder »

comex wrote: post #234
Test0129 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got my original two vaccines. I refused pfizer and moderna on principle. I refuse to get any boosters. The signal to noise ratio is basically 0 at this point and I am having a hard time "trusting the science". You know the only people more full of shit than the anti-vaxxers? The "trust the science" shills. The anti-vaxxers may have the wrong idea but from 2020 to...well about the last few months we saw that anyone…

Citation for boosters not working?

Citation for boosters not working?

more people have died since the shots, than before, come on bro! It's staring you in the face

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-abo...

What would you consider a worthy citation source, the same people who have lied or been wrong about everything to date?

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