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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by kaptainscarlet »

michaelmrose wrote: post #180
samuel wrote: post #166

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There are several kinds of anti-vaxxers. It's easy to focus on the tinfoil hat kind but there are others that just kept an skeptic outlook and were equally by the ridiculized by media, when not directly accussed of being accomplices of homicide (I'm talking about Spain here, may be in other countries the situation was different). True experts' doubts just reinforce their positions instead of weakening them, IMO. For…

There actually really isn't any difference between the two groups. They differ only in how they articulate the same bad logic. Vaccines became broadly available in relatively wealthy countries in 2021 wherein the only reasonable position would have been that vaccination of all groups would decrease net mortality even among those unlikely to die and reduce damage to people's bodies that we were already seeing even wit…

The risk with trusting the people with "niche knowledge" is that they are susceptible to corruption. Now, given the choice between a corrupt capitalist expert and a doubtful idiot, I'd choose the latter.

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Post by ckw »

rajup wrote: post #139
slig wrote: post #64

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Their official death count number is certainly interesting, to say the least.

"Official" being the keyword ;)

It is inconceivable that the official numbers (5226 deaths) are being understated to a significant degree, because if they were, a threshold would be crossed rendering containment impossible, and 2-4 million people would then die. January and February 2020 in Wuhan looked like the apocalypse. An event 500-1000x as bad could not be hidden.

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Post by cm2187 »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Depends what you mean by anti-vaxer. It goes from crazy conspiracy theorist to people who don't see the point of vaccinating healthy children. I don't think I am an anti-vaxer, I got two shots despite having had covid. I totally see the benefits for the population at risk. But for a mild virus like omicron, for a population that wasn't even at risk of the original strain, I just don't see the point of mandating vaccines. It is certainly doing nothing meaningful to transmissions (if it did it would be another matter), and it does have side effects (I spent a full day in bed with fever after the second shot, and this is quite common), and what happened to "my body my choice"?

So not being in the population at risk I have no intention to take a booster. Am I an anti-vaxer? I certainly disagree with public health policy in most countries.

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Post by mcv »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

A problem is also that both anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers have a tendency to interpret any nuanced discussion as proof that the expert don't know either and therefore it's all a lie. It's an incredibly destructive attitude to any honest discourse.

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Post by emptysongglass »

Dah00n wrote: post #179
emptysongglass wrote: post #142

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But all of this sounds like spin on why the health ministry doesn't want to spare the expense on general vaccination of all members of the population or else why generally vaccinate the population before? Even with third boosters we're seeing rapid mutations that break through so I'd assume gen pop would be in need of a fourth booster and fifth etc. to qualify for the protection to all members of society that general…

I'm guessing you are not from Denmark as you read it in a completely different way than I do as a Dane.

I am a Dane but I spent half my life in the US so often have a different perspective than most of my countrymen.

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Post by kseistrup »

switch007 wrote: post #217
kseistrup wrote: post #162

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Hasn't the pandemic also taught us that we don't need to accept so many deaths by influenza? I mean, here in Denmark influenza almost vanished because we started using hand sanitizer and facemasks.

Many citations needed

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35361789/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32339092/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29402-5

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Post by octopoc »

cm2187 wrote: post #223
peter422 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

Depends what you mean by anti-vaxer. It goes from crazy conspiracy theorist to people who don't see the point of vaccinating healthy children. I don't think I am an anti-vaxer, I got two shots despite having had covid. I totally see the benefits for the population at risk. But for a mild virus like omicron, for a population that wasn't even at risk of the original strain, I just don't see the point of mandating vacci…

According to Merriam-Webster you are an anti-vaxxer if you oppose the use of some or all vaccines, or if you oppose vaccine mandates, or usually both[1]. So if you oppose vaccinating healthy children then yeah, you are likely an anti-vaxxer. If you also oppose any vaccine mandates then you are definitely an anti-vaxxer.

[1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

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Post by upsidesinclude »

Kranar wrote: post #28
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

2018 was an exceptionally bad year for influenza. Typically influenza deaths in the U.S. are between 20-30k. COVID deaths in the U.S. over a two year period amounted to over 1 million.

The 1 million number is not accurate over those two years.

We know it isn't accurate because we know that large numbers were merely covid positive when they died (often using an inaccurate testing method)

Providing perverse funding incentives to hospitals distorts the data

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Post by inferiorhuman »

ckw wrote: post #193
nope96 wrote: post #92

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/01/cdc-fall-bo... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Thursday that millions of eligible Americans, including those as young as 12, get an updated omicron-targeting booster shot to bolster defenses against serious illness and death during a potential fall or winter rise in covid-19 cases. If you doctor is telling you not to get the booster, you need…

UCSF professor Vinay Prasad making the case against the new boosters (and claiming that those responsible for these recommendations ‘exhibit a pattern of gross incompetence’): https://youtu.be/USKDUvKmN5Q

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be Vinay Prasad. Regardless of where he works he's still compared mask and vaccine mandates to the Third Reich. Most public health officials have a much lower tolerance for death or lasting injury than Prasad does. Even amongst laypeople Prasad's tolerance for someone elsedying is much higher than that of those other people.

A pattern of gross incompetence is the kind of thing you'd typically only level at people trying to Godwin their way out of scientific discourse.

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Post by jhugo »

octopoc wrote: post #227
cm2187 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends what you mean by anti-vaxer. It goes from crazy conspiracy theorist to people who don't see the point of vaccinating healthy children. I don't think I am an anti-vaxer, I got two shots despite having had covid. I totally see the benefits for the population at risk. But for a mild virus like omicron, for a population that wasn't even at risk of the original strain, I just don't see the point of mandating vacci…

According to Merriam-Webster you are an anti-vaxxer if you oppose the use of some or all vaccines, or if you oppose vaccine mandates, or usually both[1]. So if you oppose vaccinating healthy children then yeah, you are likely an anti-vaxxer. If you also oppose any vaccine mandates then you are definitely an anti-vaxxer. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

By that definition, "anti-vaxxer" is so broad as to be meaningless. Certainly useful as a way for people not caught up in its expansive definition to feel superior, I guess.
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