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Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

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I never really understood the advantage of a mind map tool over a good tree-oriented note taking/task organizing tool. In fact I prefer the use of screen real-estate in a simple tree than a mind-map. Is this just a matter of personal taste or is there some functionality/concept am I overlooking?

I think mind-mapping is similar to graphs, so it shows circular relationships. But I personally enjoy tree structures for reading. I don't see why these apps can't do both.

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#102
post #28

I keep trying mind maps and getting frustrated because my mind works differently. Anybody know of ones that let you start out non-hierarchical? For me, key nodes are often obvious long before relationships are. E.g., if I'm working with post-it notes, I might write a bunch of notes, cluster them, winnow, and only then want to start locking in relationships between items. Has anybody seen something that's pretty strai…

In the past when I've used them, I usually started by listing all the nodes in a long list under a single root, not trying to organize them at all. I fought the urge to organize everything from the get go.

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#103

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The best tool I've ever used for this no longer exists, as far as I'm aware. It was circa 1991, a spectacular lightweight Macintosh application called "Inspiration." There currently exists software in the same lane with the same name - but if there's any blood relation between the two, the current bears little resemblance to its progenitor. I will mangle the terminology since it's been so long, but the basic idea was…

Not mine, I am not affiliated with this tool, but I thought along the same lines as you and found this tool, could you give it a try and let me know what you think? https://kinopio.club/

Very interesting, and does capture some of the transparency of Inspiration, in the sense that using the tool doesn't interfere with the process. Thanks for sharing this!

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#105

This is great. Especially because it's the work of a highly motivated and gifted person who doesn't crank code for a living. I'd say "gifted amateur" except the only thing amateurish about this is that it's a labor of love.

That's a valid definition of amateur. It can also mean low skill, but that's just how we messed up the language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_professionalism

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#107
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind explaining a little more?

In the screenshot in the repo, there's a node with the text "a mind mapping tool". It has 5 children, but the first child "text-based (terminal application)" is above it. So the more children a node has, the further above it the first child is. What if it was aligned so that the first child is at the same height as its parent? Then it might look more natural like a list, and read easier since the children start at th…

I agree with this, but I would say that both options work. I like how it organizes things currently, but if this "child list" could be added it would make my workflow quite organized for little input. Keeping things as simple as possible while maintaining productivity is the goal. Although I would like to see color coding in some fashion as to keep larger data sets clear when observed in a tree with many branches.

Perhaps the hotkey of '0' could be used as it is next to O for creating a new "child list". Great tool as-is though.

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#108
post #28

I keep trying mind maps and getting frustrated because my mind works differently. Anybody know of ones that let you start out non-hierarchical? For me, key nodes are often obvious long before relationships are. E.g., if I'm working with post-it notes, I might write a bunch of notes, cluster them, winnow, and only then want to start locking in relationships between items. Has anybody seen something that's pretty strai…

I have 3 suggestions! because that's how I tend to work too

- Scapple (mac/windows only) https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scapple/overview I love how minimal it is, but wish there was a linux/web version. I'll probably make my own some day.

- kinopio (web/mobile) kinopio.club Works well, but has a strong, quirky personality which sometimes gets annoying for me; I prefer the minimalism of scapple.

- draw.io / diagrams.net You can configure it to hide most of the toolbars and then just use it as mind mapping software, this is what I'm trying at the moment.

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#109
post #28

I keep trying mind maps and getting frustrated because my mind works differently. Anybody know of ones that let you start out non-hierarchical? For me, key nodes are often obvious long before relationships are. E.g., if I'm working with post-it notes, I might write a bunch of notes, cluster them, winnow, and only then want to start locking in relationships between items. Has anybody seen something that's pretty strai…

I have recently started using kinopio and did like it. It has been getting more and more features recently, you could give that a try.

Re: H-m-m: Hackers mind map

#110
post #28

I keep trying mind maps and getting frustrated because my mind works differently. Anybody know of ones that let you start out non-hierarchical? For me, key nodes are often obvious long before relationships are. E.g., if I'm working with post-it notes, I might write a bunch of notes, cluster them, winnow, and only then want to start locking in relationships between items. Has anybody seen something that's pretty strai…

Im using iThoughts. It's Windows/Mac only though. I recently switched to Linux and trying to get it to work in Wine.

I do believe you can create nodes without any Hierarchy and you can always join the nodes into a hierarchy later.

It's got great export features and a ton of other stuff. For me it's the best mind mapping software I have ever seen and I have tried a lot of them.

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