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Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by bdowling »

XorNot wrote: post #63
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

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The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

So you're trying to assert copyright on something which isn't a copy of something? Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live? EDIT: Let's consider a simpler scenario - I take an MD5 sum of one of your photos, and then hash collide a an image from my phone camera till I find a match. Which part of this process is "stealing"?

> Again, where in the neural weights does your original work live?

That's not the standard for copyright infringement. The standard is (1) access to the original work and (2) producing a work that is "substantial similar" to the original. If the user of an AI produces an output that is substantially similar to one of the AI's training images, then it could potentially infringe.

That's the law. In an actual case, a judge or jury would look at the original and decide if the alleged infringer is "substantially similar" enough. That's a crap shoot, so cases usually settle before that.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by bdowling »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #78
hammyhavoc wrote: post #65

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The part where you used my work commercially. Seeing as you like analogies: if you play music in a public building, you need a license even if you are selling coffee and not the music.

Assuming you're referring to Stable Diffusion, the training set photos are not used commercially. Using them in training is non-commercial. If they were to share the training set, that would be commercial. However, the final product (the neural weights) does not include any of the training data and so there is no commercial use of your photos occuring. It's the same as if I were to look at your photos and then take m…

Commercial use isn't required for copyright infringement.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

gigel82 wrote: post #9

It's surprising how poorly labeled these images are; who is curating this collection? Can't they crowd-source a proper labeling project - I wonder how much better things like Stable Diffusion would be if its training would include correct, complete labels for the images. I'm sure lots of folks would willingly spend a few minutes here and there to aid with the labeling if it means they get to enjoy the model for free.

if there are any researchers reading this, I'd like to introduce you to booru porn galleries like rule34. millions of images meticulously labelled by dedicated enthusiasts

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

simandl wrote: post #61
UncleEntity wrote: post #44

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The same artists who have been pitching a fit about how the robots are coming for their jobs? Pretty sure they are trying to figure out a way their art can’t be used to train an AI and won’t be willingly participating in making it easier.

You might be surprised. We have almost as many opt-in requests as opt-outs since we announced this today. We don't see this as binary in the long term. Maybe artists want to release art from a prior period, for example, but withhold their current series until they move to the next.

Why is opt out a thing?

Who told you you could use the data in the first place?

It's copyrighted. Reproducing any of it is a crime.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

simandl wrote: post #55
freefruit wrote: post #42

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How do you have the rights to use any of the images? They are clearly the same as what a Google image search would result in. However google links to the source.

If that's a rights issue, we'll definitely add a link to the source. For now, you can right click -> open in new tab to see where it came from, but we'll look into this asap. The goal here is to give people the opportunity to remove images they don't want in this dataset or add images they do want in there.

That's not how this works. Copyright owners have the right to control when, where, how and by whom their content may be used.

Not you https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/106

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

simandl wrote: post #79
Jach wrote: post #76

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What's your approach to establishing authorship? I'm sure some trolls will try to claim things they didn't actually make and get them removed (and vice versa).

Our initial approach will be to validate the artists manually, and trust them to only flag or upload their own works. If we hit a scale where that starts to become an issue, we have plenty of ideas for mitigating this, but we're not optimizing for that problem yet.

You have no way to stop people from uploading content that isn't theirs. Worse, you have no way to stop your program from stealing uploaded intellectual property.

Once uploaded, it's Stolen!

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

simandl wrote: post #35
hammyhavoc wrote: post #33

Wow, so I've been trained. Many times over. Photos stolen from my personal portfolio.

Please do sign up and you'll be able to flag these images soon. We'll work to get them removed from this and future datasets built for AI training.

Why did you include them in the 1st place? What legal right did you have to do that?

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #36
simandl wrote: post #35

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Please do sign up and you'll be able to flag these images soon. We'll work to get them removed from this and future datasets built for AI training.

Signed up! Very interested in this.

This person isn't being upfront with you. Your photographs' data has already been assimilated.

That's not a joke.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by NicoleJO »

dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #67
hammyhavoc wrote: post #51

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The intellectual property they train an algorithm with and charge money for. This is some real mental gymnastics.

Interesting, so you've given due credit and/or monetary compensation to every single photographer you've learned from along the way? Yea, thought so.

Computers aren't people, so thinking they "learn" the same way or for the same reason is childish. In addition, only one of those things is capable of and held accountable for following the law.

It's the law that matters here.

Re: Search 5.8B images used to train popular AI art models

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Post by tomrod »

XorNot wrote: post #48
hammyhavoc wrote: post #40

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You mean my intellectual property that they are now charging to buy credits to rip off with a plagiarism algorithm? All rights reserved. I didn't agree for them to use my IP commercially.

What intellectual property? Where in the Stable Diffusion model weights does your intellectual property exist?

> "I stole your money and several other people's money and then put it into a bank account. Tough luck! It's too late, you are unlikely to prove which of the dollar bills in account are yours!"

Sort of falls flat.

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