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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dragontamer »

peteradio wrote: post #82
nope96 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it protects you and others around you from disease. Cowards will make up lies and excuses for not taking it, though. I suppose you have to decide who you trust, your doctor, or internet trolls. My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original.

If you got COVID-19 this July-ish (when BA.5 was biggest), maybe you don't need a vaccine update. But given how much the virus has evolved, it only makes sense to update your body to the newest version that's out there.

If the next big strain is from the BA.5 lineage (or closely related lines like Omicron), having your body trained on the new proteins / RNA should help a lot.

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Fortunately, it's not as big a deal because original strain / original vaccine looks like it still prevents hospitalization and deaths. So this is strictly about reducing the spread of Omicron / BA.5 and related substrains.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

#92

Post by nope96 »

peteradio wrote: post #82
nope96 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it protects you and others around you from disease. Cowards will make up lies and excuses for not taking it, though. I suppose you have to decide who you trust, your doctor, or internet trolls. My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/01/cdc-fall-bo...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Thursday that millions of eligible Americans, including those as young as 12, get an updated omicron-targeting booster shot to bolster defenses against serious illness and death during a potential fall or winter rise in covid-19 cases.

If you doctor is telling you not to get the booster, you need a better doctor.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

#93

Post by peteradio »

dragontamer wrote: post #91
peteradio wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original. If you got COVID-19 this July-ish (when BA.5 was biggest), maybe you don't need a vaccine update. But given how much the virus has evolved, it only makes sense to update your body to the newest version that's out there. If the next big strain is from the BA.5 lineage (or closely related lines like Omicron), having your body trained on the new pr…

> BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original.

Is this based on serology studies? Or are there studies that show sharp risk increase for my demographic?

> Fortunately, it's not as big a deal because original strain / original vaccine looks like it still prevents hospitalization and deaths. So this is strictly about reducing the spread of Omicron / BA.5 and related substrains.

That's exactly what I'm wondering. I personally don't worry for myself, if I saw something convincing that showed reduction in transmission, common good all that then I'd potentially do this for someone else. But I'm not interested in participating in free experimentation for big pharma.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by peteradio »

nope96 wrote: post #92
peteradio wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/01/cdc-fall-bo... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Thursday that millions of eligible Americans, including those as young as 12, get an updated omicron-targeting booster shot to bolster defenses against serious illness and death during a potential fall or winter rise in covid-19 cases. If you doctor is telling you not to get the booster, you need…

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dragontamer »

peteradio wrote: post #93
dragontamer wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original. If you got COVID-19 this July-ish (when BA.5 was biggest), maybe you don't need a vaccine update. But given how much the virus has evolved, it only makes sense to update your body to the newest version that's out there. If the next big strain is from the BA.5 lineage (or closely related lines like Omicron), having your body trained on the new pr…

> BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original. Is this based on serology studies? Or are there studies that show sharp risk increase for my demographic? > Fortunately, it's not as big a deal because original strain / original vaccine looks like it still prevents hospitalization and deaths. So this is strictly about reducing the spread of Omicron / BA.5 and related substrains. That's exactl…

https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc2209479/suppl_fi...

Page 9 in the PDF clearly shows that original strain had the least protection, while BA.1/BA.2 (Omicron) had the most protection vs BA.5, but it was still possible to be reinfected. Yes, this includes your demographic. (Population 12-and-older for this study).

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Delta was the first major strain that avoided immunity (IIRC: Gamma was also avoiding immunity to a greater degree than Delta, but Delta outcompeted Gamma). Omicron outcompeted Delta and also avoided immunity, and BA.5 is the mutant of Omicron that further avoids immunity.

Getting your body used to the original strain (aka: your original infection and/or the original vaccine), plus this updated BA.5 specific booster shot, seems to only make sense.

Especially because the vaccine is like, free? Your health insurance wants you to take it because it means less costs to them than if you got sick.

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I should note that even if you don't get hospitalized or dead from the virus, there's still the chance of "long COVID", and other such complications if you get sick. So it still is to your personal benefit to get the vaccine IMO, especially since it targets the latest strain.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

#96

Post by nope96 »

peteradio wrote: post #94
nope96 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/09/01/cdc-fall-bo... The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Thursday that millions of eligible Americans, including those as young as 12, get an updated omicron-targeting booster shot to bolster defenses against serious illness and death during a potential fall or winter rise in covid-19 cases. If you doctor is telling you not to get the booster, you need…

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Seriously, you need a better doctor. What did your doctor say, specifically? That you should not get the newest Covid booster? Have you ever been vaccinated? Calling me a jerk is rude. What's also rude? Refusing to get a vaccine that will protect you and others because you are afraid it will somehow hurt you.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by thunky »

dragontamer wrote: post #91
peteradio wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because it protects you After already having had Covid? I'm fit in my 30s. > and others around you from disease. Has this borne out in practice? > My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it. Guess again.

BA.5 avoids the immunity you gained from Delta, Alpha, and the original. If you got COVID-19 this July-ish (when BA.5 was biggest), maybe you don't need a vaccine update. But given how much the virus has evolved, it only makes sense to update your body to the newest version that's out there. If the next big strain is from the BA.5 lineage (or closely related lines like Omicron), having your body trained on the new pr…

> this is strictly about reducing the spread of Omicron / BA.5 and related substrains

From cdc.gov:

Updated COVID-19 boosters add Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 spike protein components to the current vaccine composition, helping to restore protection that has waned since previous vaccination by targeting variants that are more transmissible and immune-evading.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

#98

Post by dekhn »

peteradio wrote: post #90
dekhn wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

honestly, it's just not worth arguing- some folks are going to be permanently convinced that the case for vaccination is much stronger than it really is. Like I said in other comments: the medical researcher community moved on and no longer believes that vaccines were nearly as effective as originally believed, for any criterion. We certainly aren't ever going to reach ongoing herd immunity so the most reasonable app…

Fair enough but policy is still standing and being made based on these beliefs. Do you believe we will finally see reversals?

I'm not sure what you mean. Most of the "reversals" have already been done, the rest is media noise.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by yucky »

ribosometronome wrote: post #34
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

>But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza Except for when we do shut things down. It's far from without precedent for the government to mandate personal safety requirements, tho. Seatbelt laws for cars are near universal in the US and that's a much more only-effects-you decision compared to vaccination.

When have we shut things down for the flu? Or did you mean something else?

Also, seatbelts are removable which people would say makes that comparison irrelevant.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by yucky »

saagarjha wrote: post #8

> We expect that many people will be infected with covid-19 during autumn and winter. Ah yes, the “guess we might as well give up” strategy.

Literally every single person at work got vaccinated and still got Covid over the last year. Every single one. I actually can't think of a single person that was vaccinated and didn't get it, although I'm sure there must be a few that I know.

I think it's fine to recommend that people get vaccinated to lessen symptoms, but we should probably stop pretending it significantly prevents the spread of infection. "The science" does not appear to support that claim anymore, and many people no longer trust "the experts" now after seeing how they all still got Covid. Long term, that destruction of trust will do more harm than good. The Noble Lie is going to bite us in the ass.

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