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Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Those must have been some low-coercivity card stock. HiCo cards should be very resilient to this sort of thing.

Brand new Visa Debit card from Chase Bank. I’d have thought it was one of the good ones. I should say I’m actually not using the official Apple magnetic case but the Popwallet brand which includes a little finger holder thing. Perhaps they’re using more powerful magnets than apple.

So your point about Apple, is in fact, not about Apple at all. Cool.

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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post #82

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Those must have been some low-coercivity card stock. HiCo cards should be very resilient to this sort of thing.

Brand new Visa Debit card from Chase Bank. I’d have thought it was one of the good ones. I should say I’m actually not using the official Apple magnetic case but the Popwallet brand which includes a little finger holder thing. Perhaps they’re using more powerful magnets than apple.

> This is why I really like the added security of the new Apple magnetic wallet I got.

> I should say I’m actually not using the official Apple magnetic case but the Popwallet brand

I don't understand why you would start this comment thread with a false statement though.

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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With just about everything either chip or tap now, is there any danger in just scratching out the mag stripe of my cards?

If you go anywhere where they hold a tab open, such as a bar, you can't do that with tap/chip. Not that that's a blocker, since worst case you do a bunch of single transactions, but it's an annoyance.

Do you not give them the card, then they swipe it once at the end and you get it back? How does a stripe affect that?

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Gift economy and post-scarcity is where it's at.

Not at all what I am suggesting. The cards are very insecure and primitive and have been replaced by smart phones in most areas. One core way they are insecure is based on the main concept of the money which fails to utilize cryptography. Any money that uses cryptography to prevent the need for sharing secrets to execute transactions is a cryptocurrency. Any currency that does not use cryptography is obsolete. Using…

> The only real utility is to avoid any kind of taxation

#1) cash works without power, #2) cash has different security and privacy pros and cons, compared to cryptocurrencies

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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If you go anywhere where they hold a tab open, such as a bar, you can't do that with tap/chip. Not that that's a blocker, since worst case you do a bunch of single transactions, but it's an annoyance.

Why is that? Due to older machines used or something else?

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Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Well a restaurant bill is in some sense a debt for the food that was already provided.

I'd love to see what happens if I eat a meal, then say, "Sorry, I only have cash." They can be mad about it, but I don't think I'm breaking any laws by not having their preferred payment method to pay that debt, right? They can even ban me from the restaurant but—for that meal—I can't get charged with theft of services (or whatever the innkeeper laws are that relate to this situation)

Might depend on if there was clear notification before ordering your meal that they don't accept cash. In that case, you've incurred a debt that you knew you would be unable to pay. That might be some sort of fraud but it probably varies by jurisdiction.

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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I think the magnetic strip needs to go. We hardly use them in Australia to the point where one of our major banks actually has a touch reader on their machine. Some sort of one-time verification would be great. An SMS or a push notification would go a long way to making this type of scraping harder. Or eliminate the card altogether - Cardless Cash.

> one of our major banks actually has a touch reader on their machine

Not sure I understand what you mean. NFC readers?

Not just one, every merchant bank and payments terminal operator supports NFC.

I haven't seen a terminal that doesn't accept NFC for years.

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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Is anyone else annoyed that: - We could have had chip & PIN, but for some reason (I'm guessing it's to do with how merchants take the hit for card fraud and VISA + MC think having to punch in a few numbers each sale will lead to fewer sales) - Those tap targets on CC readers sometimes aren't where the antenna is, and you have to rub your card all over the reader to get it to work? - Chip transactions take way longer…

Contactless transactions using your phone are fast, secure and easy. Over time they will replace almost all current usage of chip & pin or magnetic stripe.

personally I hate the idea of always needing a phone with me -- i leave mine at home most of the time just using my wallet and nfc transit card to get around

Re: Crazy Thin ‘Deep Insert’ ATM Skimmers

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post #90
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With just about everything either chip or tap now, is there any danger in just scratching out the mag stripe of my cards?

If you go anywhere where they hold a tab open, such as a bar, you can't do that with tap/chip. Not that that's a blocker, since worst case you do a bunch of single transactions, but it's an annoyance.

Tabs work just fine in europe where mag stripe payments have been phased out. You pay at the end in the pin terminal.
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