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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dekhn »

scoofy wrote: post #61
asimpletune wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it reduces the severity of the illness, does it not?

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know whether COVID boosters will have the same effect.…

This is correct: the current position of the medical establishment is that we simply don't have enough data to make an extremely strong argument for vaccines for healthy people.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by Gibbon1 »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

Because it infects cells with the ACE2 receptor covid is never going to be the new influenza. It's going to kill 100-200,000 people a year in the US indefinitely.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by version_five »

nope96 wrote: post #66
flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

Adversaries of the west want us to be unvaccinated and sick. Knowing what we know about "troll farms", I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine policy. You can't make this stuff up

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by peteradio »

nope96 wrote: post #44
dragontamer wrote: post #26

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I took the BA.5 variant vaccine just two days ago (Pfizer, if anyone is interested) BA.5 is targeted and ready. The only question left is one of policy and distribution.

Same here, took the new Moderna Ba.5 variant along with a flu shot 7 days ago. Zero side effects. Everyone should get this new booster.

> Everyone should get this new booster.

Why? Seems pretty indiscriminate.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dekhn »

ribosometronome wrote: post #68
dekhn wrote: post #65

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(yes; this is recent news; everything I'm describing above is about the previous round of viruses. The new vaccines are in only limited availabiltiy right now)

Oh. My bad. I thought you said "There's no value proposition to vaccination at this point."

Even boosters are a bit of a question in my mind. I had forgotten they were already approved recently. There really ahsn't been much discussion at UCSF about it other than "it's available we're still evaluating data before making recommendations".

What I should have said was "nobody should take the pre-bivalent boosters with any expectation of seeing a reduction in infection chances, or severity of disease, based on our current understanding of omicron, while bivalent boosters seem promising, even though we have extremely limited data and won't know for sure until after the winter cycle."

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nope96 »

version_five wrote: post #73
nope96 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adversaries of the west want us to be unvaccinated and sick. Knowing what we know about "troll farms", I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine…

"authoritarian vaccine policy", what are you talking about?

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

version_five wrote: post #73
nope96 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adversaries of the west want us to be unvaccinated and sick. Knowing what we know about "troll farms", I would not be surprised if there is an effort by some states to discredit the vaccine on English speaking forums.

It's really funny to see this kind of covid hero discussion where one accuses people who aren't ok with vaccine policies of being "conspiracy theorists" (ignoring the difference between disagreement with compelled vaccination and believing in some imagined conspiracy) and then getting a reply theorizing that there is a conspiracy amongst "adversaries of the west" that's driving disagreement with authoritarian vaccine…

https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-...

> The media multiplier effect can, at times, create disinformation storms with potentially dangerous effects for those Russia perceives as adversaries at the international, national, and local level. In the past, Russia has leveraged this dynamic to shield itself from criticism for its involvement in malign activity. This approach also allows Russia to be opportunistic, such as with COVID-19, where it has used the global pandemic as a hook to push longstanding disinformation and propaganda narratives.

Screenshot of a Geopolitica.ru article promoting conspiracy theories around Bill Gates.

> Bill Gates is linked to the COVID-19 outbreak and uses the pandemic to implant microchips “in whole of humanity [sic].” COVID-19 vaccines are a fraud spearheaded by Gates and Big Pharma.

https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/virality-project-fina...

> While all nations have engaged in some form of diplomacy or messaging related to vaccines, the Virality Project focused on observing state media and social media networks linked to Russia, China, and Iran. These three nations not only promoted their own efforts, but also attempted to undermine their rivals.

It's not a conspiracy.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by nope96 »

peteradio wrote: post #74
nope96 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, took the new Moderna Ba.5 variant along with a flu shot 7 days ago. Zero side effects. Everyone should get this new booster.

> Everyone should get this new booster. Why? Seems pretty indiscriminate.

Because it protects you and others around you from disease. Cowards will make up lies and excuses for not taking it, though. I suppose you have to decide who you trust, your doctor, or internet trolls. My guess is, if you ask your doctor, he or she will recommend you take it.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by belorn »

threeseed wrote: post #46
neverrroot wrote: post #12

At the beginning they didn’t make it available to children (below 18) anymore. Then UK followed for the children since September 1’st. Now those unter 50 in DK. It’s getting interesting and looking more and more like science instead of The Science.

They didn't make it available to children because (a) there were limited vaccines available and (b) research was focused on more vulnerable groups. And yes the scientific position will evolve as new variants and herd immunity become common place.

They didn't make it available to children because the observational data did not show that vaccinated children had better outcomes.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by tablespoon »

DominikPeters wrote: post #45

It sounds like Danes over 50 can get a free vaccine, and those under are prohibited from getting one. Why can't we have a middle ground where young people can get a vaccine if they really want to (and e.g. pay for it themselves)? This mirrors the common thread in Covid policy where everything is either forbidden or compulsory.

> It sounds like Danes over 50 can get a free vaccine, and those under are prohibited from getting one. Why can't we have a middle ground where young people can get a vaccine if they really want to (and e.g. pay for it themselves)? This mirrors the common thread in Covid policy where everything is either forbidden or compulsory.

Yeah. It's insane if they prohibit under-50s from getting the vaccine. There are more reasons to get vaccinated than just self-protection: pretty much the only reason I get boosted is to lower my risk of infection to prevent passing it to an immunocompromised parent.

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