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Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Yeah this story has a problem. An entire company 'quits' and just 're-does the thing' is almost assuredly theft of know-now and IP, but more than that theft of the operating modality. It takes in incredible amount of work, risk, investment etc. to 'get something up and going' - with all of the parts working. Any time you walk into a company you'll see what looks like 'things working' on some level, usually that took…

I mean, you can call it IP theft, I can call it wage theft. The article quotes one of the devs as saying they had "unpaid milestones", which reads an awful lot like the "major publisher" he didn't want to name for legal reasons had violated the one term that mattered: the part where they pay for the game. The lesson to take away here, for management, is that you can't get away with everything forever. Whether you vie…

The lesson for 'management' is get better contracts and don't invest and develop people who will walk out with your stuff.

Item 'A' is a bit more reasonable, people not getting paid is bad.

But item 'B' is not. Sorry, you don't just get to ask for a better deal after the fact, because it finally worked out and now in 20/20 hindsight you want a cut.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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One of the reasons the company I just left is dying is they lost a bunch of employees that and a terrible tech plan. I worked for company A, company A got merged with company B since they were both owned by the same mega corp. Company A and Company B were in the same industry but served different needs. They were both companies in the EV industry but one was aimed at drivers and the other aimed at charging station co…

> I worked for company A, company A got merged with company B since they were both owned by the same mega corp. Company A and Company B were in the same industry but served different needs.

I thought at first that you were talking about Disney Streaming / Hulu

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Not really that worthy of note, but I worked at a small startup in SF in 2014 with 2 founders and 3 employees. We all quit within 2 days. It was uncoordinated and coincidental. The founders were flabbergasted. I spoke with the others and the reasoning was the same. We were all very seasoned senior engineers, but the founders didn't trust us and handed us kanban tickets like short order cooks because they had PhDs. It…

did the company survive?

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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The wedding photographer/videographer business I discussed in another thread last week. All his employees quit and he went under. I've personally been involved with more than one general contractor going under. When I was a young carpenter, I followed my best friend from job to job and contractor to contractor. When he walked off a job, the rest of us followed. He and I and a group of Dominicans (from Dominica not th…

I wonder what can be generalized from this experience to empower workers in other industries. My guess is that the tradesmen you worked with have negotiating power because they can find another GC. That relies on there being many competing companies. That can only happen in industries with low start-up costs and small economies of scale.

Railway operation has huge start-up costs and large economies of scale. I think a long term solution depends on the nationalization of track or at least the separation of train and track ownership, with track operators required to provide nondiscriminatory access. Not gonna happen but one can dream.

Again, all guesses, but I'd like to hear what someone more knowledgeable has to say

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Printing press. The pressman that operated the largest press quit, fired, no showed, or whatever. Margins are already thin so losing just 1 press can be pretty devastating. A pressman, even a trained one, has to be trained since each machine is build to order. It’s not something you can post a job in Indeed and have a new employee after a week.

I've seen this happen, and the company end up in serious danger (and they still were down a pressman and flailing last time I heard.) Somehow the fact that everything is depending on pressmen doesn't affect the way management pays or treats them, though.

some people just can't see the value in other human beings, even when it's literally dollar value

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Yes, I'm talking about 2015. The first two Playstation only MoH games were not exactly failures, but they were little more than Goldeneye clones with WW2 themes. The first PC game is really the start of what we think of as the Medal of Honor franchise proper. The team that bailed founded Infinity Ward, which was the origin of Call of Duty, or at least the first like 8 games in the franchise. So yes, my story does in…

They asked very politely for you to clarify some details after they tried themselves but were unable to verify it by looking it up. Your hostility is unwarranted and rude. People are not psychic, it was quite reasonable for them to ask.

> They asked very politely for you to clarify some details after they tried themselves but were unable to verify it by looking it up.

Not really. GP straight up accused the OP of lying, under a thick but transparent layer of euphemisms. Coming at someone out of nowhere with accusations that "your story doesn't add up", specially after failing to do their homework, is the opposite of politeness.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I'm talking about 2015. The first two Playstation only MoH games were not exactly failures, but they were little more than Goldeneye clones with WW2 themes. The first PC game is really the start of what we think of as the Medal of Honor franchise proper. The team that bailed founded Infinity Ward, which was the origin of Call of Duty, or at least the first like 8 games in the franchise. So yes, my story does in…

Lately HN feels more like a bunch of lawyers quibbling over semantics... It gets really old, really fast. Whatever happened to assume positive intent?

> Lately HN feels more like a bunch of lawyers quibbling over semantics...

There is no semantics challenge in a random coming at someone out of the blue with accusations of being a liar. The only lawyering involved is determining if it would represent libel or slander.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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I think you are grossly misinformed. >when the design team of Google hiring are not made up of HR personnel, it could be construed as a violation of Federal labor law. There is nothing illegal about the design team participating in or even running the hiring process. >HR design team and hiring (non-HR) team are one and the same playing fast and loose with privilege info, many lawyers will be all over this. There is n…

That was on the advice of my lawyer. You, however, probably need to consult your legal team.

That is strategic advice, not advice on the law.

If the intent of hiding your disability is to prevent possible discrimination during the process, you are defeating the intent staying quiet and guaranteeing the application fails.

IMO they did nothing discriminatory.

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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if and when the design team of Google hiring are not made up of HR personnel, it could be construed as a violation of Federal labor law. It becomes a violation if the hiring (non-HR) team are privy to sensitive info of applicants. and if HR design team and hiring (non-HR) team are one and the same playing fast and loose with privilege info, many lawyers will be all over this. Of course, I am unwilling to find out bec…

I think you are grossly misinformed. >when the design team of Google hiring are not made up of HR personnel, it could be construed as a violation of Federal labor law. There is nothing illegal about the design team participating in or even running the hiring process. >HR design team and hiring (non-HR) team are one and the same playing fast and loose with privilege info, many lawyers will be all over this. There is n…

Sure. They’ve neglected to mention accommodation in their hiring website.

That … was on the advice of my lawyer.

Meanwhile, this:

https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/accessibility/googl...

Re: Ask HN: What are examples of companies dying due to many people quitting?

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post #473

Not really that worthy of note, but I worked at a small startup in SF in 2014 with 2 founders and 3 employees. We all quit within 2 days. It was uncoordinated and coincidental. The founders were flabbergasted. I spoke with the others and the reasoning was the same. We were all very seasoned senior engineers, but the founders didn't trust us and handed us kanban tickets like short order cooks because they had PhDs. It…

did the company survive?

Not really. The founders got acquihired. Basically a face saving operation. The company and product did not go with them so it was just a fancy hiring process.
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